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Replace intermediate steering shaft

12K views 29 replies 13 participants last post by  mlovaton  
#1 ·
The dealer still can't hear the clunk, but I sure can. Is there a source for the intermediate steering shaft that is cheaper than buying it through the dealer? I think the dealer wants about $240. I've tried all different kinds of grease on the splined slip joint. I think there is some play in the u-joints.

Any help/suggestions would be appreciated.

Rich
 
#9 ·
Yeah, great idea :thumbdown:

I'll take a steering clunk over the frequency of busted FJ tie-rods and other IFS issues common on the yoda. Check out an FJ forum - they are far from problem-free.
 
#10 ·
Like I said, I don't use the JK like others here do. The last thing I'd have to worry about would be broken tie rods. steering clunk isn't the only thing people complain about the JK either. Read this forum and you'll find a pile of stupid stuff gone wrong. Steering clunk, door latch clunk, lack of power, leaky tops ect, ect. You'd think you were reading a Suzuki Samari forum, not a $30k plus Jeep forum.
Nice thing about this forum is that we can express our thoughts. good bad or indifferent, it's a Jeep and it's worth a lot less than I paid and a lot less than I still owe after a 25% down payment, so it's in the driveway for a long time. Clunk or no clunk. Drip or no drip.
 
#12 ·
Some people love Jeeps and are Jeepers......then there is you!:wave:
 
#13 ·
some people are blind to inferior build quality and some think we should get what we paid for. Some are to embarrassed to admit the were duped when buying a JK, some are more vocal. It's all good. I guess I'm not a Jeeper, if that means take it the way it is. I own it, I'll take care of it, I'll drive it, I'll tow it behind the motorhome but I'm certainly not a "Jeeper". I've also owned a fleet of different BMW's but was never a Bimmer either.
 
#14 ·
I didn't realize being a "Jeeper" meant putting up with sub par build quality? I love Jeeps and I love my Jeep but lets face it, they could do better.

If you hold them to a higher standard they will, if you write it off as "its a Jeep thing." they will continue to sell you a vehicle will cheap parts.

We pay 23 to 30K for these things. In the first year of ownership tops shouldn't be leaking, a steering shaft should not need replacing, ball joints should not be failing, trackbar mounts should not be failing, manifolds should not need replacing, hinges should not be rusing at the paint and throw out bearings should not be going.

Thats something you expect out of 12-14K vehicle. Not something over 20 grand.

I have fixed most of my issues with better aftermarket parts, but I shouldn't have had to.
 
#16 ·
First off - the tie-rod issues in JK's and FJ's aren't even on the same plane.

I'm taking a guess that the guys griping about the inferior quality of the JK have never owned a previous gen Wrangler. The JK is a Lexus compared to the previous Wranglers. Tops will always leaks, there will always be clunks - somethings are going to make a noise that you probably aren't thrilled about ... ITS AN F***ING JEEP!! You don't buy a Jeep for the cush. Do your homework.

So many people who have problems singles their JK out and develops a blanket statement that JK's lack quality or they could stand for improvement. Sure - that's fair, but that goes for any vehicle on the planet that was designed and built by humans. I ran a Toyota service shop for 4 years - TOYOTA!!... who doesn't associate quality with Toyota??? Ask 25% of the owners of V6 Camry's and Avalons from 1997 to 2004 how much they like their Toyota's? One in four had major motor sludge issues that usually required short block replacements. More than half the Camry's I ever drove had door latches that broke off in 4 years, I lost count of 4Runners that had leaking sunroofs. Starter contacts went bad all the time.

My Toyota store was under ownership that had dealers for Mazda, Lexus, Kia, Isuzu, Lincoln/Mercury, and Pontiac. The only one that stood out in warranty claims was Kia. All the rest were on par per volume for percentage of warranty claims. Everything has problems - period. If you came out of a vehicle that was problem free, and your JK is the first to disappoint, that perception is understandable, but the facts show that the JK is a reliable vehicle with quirks like ANY other vehicle.
 
#17 ·
I know what I was expecting out of a Jeep thank you. I don't mind the noise, slow acceleration, rough ride. I expected all those things.

However when I have owned a vehicle for 16 months and have had to to replace the torque converter, transmission seal, all four ball joints, an axle seal, the steering shaft, the steering box and the tie rod and drag link then it no longer has to do with wanting it to be "cush" thats just "crap". :rolleyes:
 
#18 ·
I would have a tough time disagreeing with you. As mentioned in my previous post, developing that perception with serious issues is completely understandable. Buts its not fair to associate JK's as a whole as crap. I have 45k on mine and other than a few quirks that are easy to put up with, its been phenomenal. I've seen everything from Land Cruisers to LS430's need MAJOR mechanical attention early on. Nothing is devoid of problems.
 
#19 ·
I think the issues we have can go wrong with any vehicle. This stuff is man-made, lets not forget that. Like many others, I beat the crap out of my JK. It takes it, loves it, and goes with it. Overall, I love my JK and it runs great for me. I had minor issues, but I have a early model Jeep off the assembly line. I knew I'd have problems. Overall, I love it.

If you want to buy a FJ cruiser, go for it, they need to be on the top "ugliest vehicles made" list. I'll take a Jeep over any vehicle any day.
 
#21 ·
While there might be some bothersome issues that should have been addressed with the JK, I'm not caring too much. The enjoyment I've gotten from this vehicle in 3 months has already made it worth it. And, since I can't afford any mods right now, anything that breaks due to normal use is still covered under warranty.
 
#22 ·
Guys, it's not that I've had so much go wrong with the JK. I've got 39k on it in under 2 years. Between the things that have been issue with mine and the things I read here, there are a lot of things that shouldn't happen to a new car. It's not even like there's a lot of new stuff in the car. the Axles, tranny, engine, AC, and the electronic have been on Jeeps and Chryslers for decades. It's the end product that gets my goat. No excuse for leaks, horrible wind noise, defrosters that don't defrost, AC that is heat challenged, steering shaft clunk, door latch noise, rusty screws and bolts, peeling paint, (like mine on my freedom top), death wobble, bouncing hood in the wind. Am i missing anything here. How the heck could you research these problems on a new model year Jeep? I'm telling you, I've had less annoying issues on 20 year old European cars. I'm not advocating buying a FJ but you gotta wonder why they, (foreign car) mfg's do better than their US counter parts. I don't wonder. I admit, I bought the Jeep for it cool looks, it's towable and it gets people to start conversation. Call it a Jeep or new car blues. NO EXCUSE for it. Not with the technology in car building that we have in this country.
 
#23 ·
Damn, you make my vagina ache! :rofl:
 
#24 ·
Sure there is no excuse for it, but what are we going to do about it.

We can complain to the auto-makers but they are more concerned about the profit. They have known about these issue for years and nothing is going to fix it.

So you have a couple of choices.

Get rid of the vehicle, buy something you are happy with.

Keep the vehicle, accept the quirks, clunks, bangs and bumps and continue to enjoy having all the fun you have been having. Since the automaker isn't going to fix it, fix it yourself. There are a ton of aftermarket parts out there to address many of these issues and some of the solutions (hood wranglers for example) are pretty damn inexpensive. I mean, if I want to complain about things, why not complain about the fact that other vehicles have grab handles and Jeeps don't. Would it really cost that much more? No, we just order them and put them in.

If enough of the same problems continue to happen usually a TSB or recall comes out and they come up with a better solutions.
 
#25 ·
Sure there is no excuse for it, but what are we going to do about it.

We can complain to the auto-makers but they are more concerned about the profit. They have known about these issue for years and nothing is going to fix it.

So you have a couple of choices.

Get rid of the vehicle, buy something you are happy with.

Keep the vehicle, accept the quirks, clunks, bangs and bumps and continue to enjoy having all the fun you have been having. Since the automaker isn't going to fix it, fix it yourself. There are a ton of aftermarket parts out there to address many of these issues and some of the solutions (hood wranglers for example) are pretty damn inexpensive. I mean, if I want to complain about things, why not complain about the fact that other vehicles have grab handles and Jeeps don't. Would it really cost that much more? No, we just order them and put them in.

If enough of the same problems continue to happen usually a TSB or recall comes out and they come up with a better solutions.
I agree, however its the point. When you spend 23 to 30K on a vehicle there is NO REASON you should have to go out and spend extra money to "fix" things that should have not been an issue in the first place. If thats the case then they should sell these Jeeps for 17 to 20K.

Also the TSB part is not always true.

I took a poll on who has the steering clunk over on JK Forum. I think it was something like 70% voted they had it.

At those numbers and the vehicle having been out for three years now there is no reason why Chrysler should not have addressed this issue.

Well there is, its called they don't give a *hit about anything but profit. Its not hard to see why they are facing financial troubles really.
 
#29 ·
i'm from canada, i paid 35 000 $ with tax for my 2 door sahara fully loaded... I shopped around before buying, the toyota fj cruiser, with decent equipement would have been at least 45 000 $... so there is a huge diff from the 2... and from what I heard the toyota's are not perfect either.... find me a more capable truck ( on the trails and snow ) than the jeep at a better price and brand new.... then maybe I would be complaining about the steering clunks (trying to fix mine now), leaks (never had yet),and all the other minor stuff.... sure they aren't the best quality build trucks on the market... but for the price/capability they are really not so bad !!!

just my 2 cents.

and i love my jk even with the little flaws, same with my girlfriend :)
 
#30 ·
I love to read all these forums just to realize that I am not alone. I also love my jeep, had it for 5 months and 5000 miles, steering clunck "yes", B column noise "yes", had to change passenger door window with rubber and all on day one "yes", waiting for a new left passenger seat because it didn't fold since brand new "yes", do I still love my Jeep and would not change it for anything else "that's a big capital YES".
FYI, for those who complain about paying 30 grand, here in the Dominican Republic I paid 55 K US dollars for my 2010 Unlimited Rubicon, It's mainly because of taxes and stuff, but, that's what we need to do to drive a Jeep.