[kconnor123]

Ha. Just saw that mahindra decided to bring the remade cj7s (i thought they were cj5's but the door cutout is a 7) they make in india over to the states as a side by side UTV as they won't pass american safety standards.

https://www.roxoroffroad.com/

Wonder if you could take one of these change out the grill, windshield and roll bar, put aftermarket bumpers and tire carrier on. Would you have a cj7 that could "kinda" pass as an on road vehicle.

Although looking at the specs the thing has a 65hp turbodiesel (which i like) but only tops out at 45mph.

Wonder what kind of axles and trasfer case/transmission it uses?

 

[PrincessJ]

Last I heard FCA is trying to put a ban on them being sold here.

 

[kconnor123]

Yeah i saw that also.

It shows there are dealers on that website. I'm assuming that they are just their tractor dealers.

 

[Fourtrail]

Hood, fenders and cowl are all early CJ-5 dimensions and it is rumored that you can change over to the early CJ-5 fold down windshield. Axles are approx to a dana 44 front and 44 rear with both offset and a t-90 and dana 18 ish trans and tcase. Going to have to look up the documents from when kaiser licensed to mahindra the ability to build with the early jeep plans to find out if FCA has any merit in their law suit. Only part that is CJ-7ish is the squared off door openings. All of the other dimensions match ish the early CJ-5.

 

[kconnor123]

Yep, now that you look at it, it is way more in line with a 5 than a 7. Plus it has a narrow Width of the axle which you would find in a 5 or pre 82 cj7.

I do remember when i was in india about 9 years ago seeing all these cj5 look alikes running around. As you said, it looks like they just took the 5 and cut out the doorway.


I do question if those are real dana axles though. I have a hard time believing they are using quality axles (or trans/transfer cases) in those, and not some indian knock off.

 

[walkerhoundvm]

Last I heard FCA is trying to put a ban on them being sold here.

My feeling is that this is a dumb viral marketing campaign. Mahindra has been licensed to produce cj body styles in Asia for ages, and now FCA is upset? It would be ridiculous for them to try to sell in North America.

 

[jscherb]

Hood, fenders and cowl are all early CJ-5 dimensions...

The dimensions are different, U.S. CJ body parts won't fit. The tub is the same width as a U.S. CJ-5/7 tub, but the back end of the hood is narrower because there's a step-in at the side of the cowl. And a U.S. CJ grille won't fit because the Mahindra hood is wider in the front. This photo of a Mahindra Thar (the fully-equipped vehicle in India that the Roxor is derived from). Notice the headlights don't intrude on the outer grille slots like they do on a U.S. CJ.

The wheelbase is actually a bit longer than a CJ-7, it's about 96".

I've spent a lot of time in India (in fact I'm in Rajasthan as I write this), and I've measured the Thar.

 

[Fourtrail]

The dimensions are different, U.S. CJ body parts won't fit. The tub is the same width as a U.S. CJ-5/7 tub, but the back end of the hood is narrower because there's a step-in at the side of the cowl. And a U.S. CJ grille won't fit because the Mahindra hood is wider in the front. This photo of a Mahindra Thar (the fully-equipped vehicle in India that the Roxor is derived from). Notice the headlights don't intrude on the outer grille slots like they do on a U.S. CJ.

I've spent a lot of time in India (in fact I'm in Rajasthan as I write this), and I've measured the Thar.

This thread is about the Roxor SXS that mahindra is importing into the US to sell as an ATV along side of their tractor line. The vehicle on the left, not the TJ knockoff on the right. The Roxor is quite a bit smaller then the Thar.

 

[jscherb]

Some current Thar ads/brochures, the Roxor is an "unequipped" Thar.

Having spent a lot of time in India, I've got a lot of info and photos about various Mahindra models .

 

[jscherb]

This thread is about the Roxor SXS that mahindra is importing into the US to sell as an ATV along side of their tractor line. The vehicle on the left, not the TJ knockoff on the right. The Roxor is quite a bit smaller then the Thar.

The photos you posted are not the same scale. These are the Roxor dimensions:

2018 Mahindra Roxor - Mechanical Specifications
2018 Mahindra RoxorDimensions
Length 3,759 mm
Width 1,574 mm
Height 1,905 mm
Wheelbase 2,438 mm

The length of the Roxor is slightly shorter due to the bumpers and the width is slight narrower because the Thar has fender flares/wider tires, but the body parts are the same (except for the grille, which Mahindra modified the slots of so as not to infringe on Jeep's 7-slot grille in the U.S.).

 

[kconnor123]

The thar looks at though is has an IFS in the front, where the roxor looks like a one piece front axle.

you sure its the same?

Anyhow, it looks to cost 15K for a non-street worthy cj knockoff. Unless you could fudge it into cj using an old title, don't see how it would be worth it.

 

[Fourtrail]

The thar looks at though is has an IFS in the front, where the roxor looks like a one piece front axle.

you sure its the same?

Anyhow, it looks to cost 15K for a non-street worthy cj knockoff. Unless you could fudge it into cj using an old title, don't see how it would be worth it.

Less than most SXS's and with more and more areas licensing SXS's for local and country/county street use (no state Hwy use) I don't see an issue for most to be able run it up and down the road.

 

[jscherb]

The thar looks at though is has an IFS in the front, where the roxor looks like a one piece front axle.

you sure its the same?

Anyhow, it looks to cost 15K for a non-street worthy cj knockoff. Unless you could fudge it into cj using an old title, don't see how it would be worth it.

Yes the Thar has IFS; the Roxor has a solid axle up front. The earlier version of the Thar, the MM540, had a solid axle, which is what the Roxor uses. There are other mechanical differences, but the body parts are the same.

Edit: I should clarify this - not all Thars have IFS, it depends on the year and model. Many have solid front axles.

 

[WindKnot]

Last I heard FCA is trying to put a ban on them being sold here.

No wonder. Out here, that would be a popular choice. Many here are familiar with Mahindra's quality and would buy one (if reasonably priced) in a heartbeat. Don't sell Mahindra short.

It seems to me it all depends on the license agreement signed years ago and if there were any marketing restrictions.

 

[kconnor123]

Ok.

So Jscherb do you know what kind of drivetrain is really in it? Are those dana knockoffs or the real deal?

 

[stripperguy]

I was at the local motorcycle dealer yesterday, getting my Triumph inspected.
They sell Roxor's there, since early spring...
I talked to the owner of the shop (a relative, of sorts) and asked if there's lots of interest.
He says sure, tons of people looking, it's a good draw.
How many are buying?, I asked.
No one is buying, he tells me. And he regularly talks with another cycle shop dealer in VT...same story except he's sold one in 5 months!

 

[jscherb]

Ok.

So Jscherb do you know what kind of drivetrain is really in it? Are those dana knockoffs or the real deal?

I don't know for sure, I haven't focused too much on the mechanicals, I've been more interested in the body shell. I hear the axles are similar to Dana 44's but not identical and most parts do not interchange, but I don't know if that info is 100% accurate.

The reason I'm mostly interested in the body shell is because I've been thinking about bringing a Mahindra Savari body shell over from India and dropping it on a Wrangler Unlimited chassis. The Savari is a long-wheelbase 4-door that would make a great overlander/camper...

 

[Hyproglo]

It would be ridiculous for them to try to sell in North America.

It does seem silly to sell these if they are not rated for road use.

On the other hand, how many Jeeps are Trailer Queens - built for trail use only?

 

[John Strenk]

I don't know for sure, I haven't focused too much on the mechanicals, I've been more interested in the body shell. I hear the axles are similar to Dana 44's but not identical and most parts do not interchange, but I don't know if that info is 100% accurate.

The reason I'm mostly interested in the body shell is because I've been thinking about bringing a Mahindra Savari body shell over from India and dropping it on a Wrangler Unlimited chassis. The Savari is a long-wheelbase 4-door that would make a great overlander/camper...

That would be an interesting conversion.

they do have an interesting concept on off road tire treads....

 

[WindKnot]

It does seem silly to sell these if they are not rated for road use.

On the other hand, how many Jeeps are Trailer Queens - built for trail use only?

I don't think I'd call a towed off roading Jeep a "trailer queen", but I think I know what you mean. As to that Savari, look at that departure angle; ouch!

The west is much different than what some of you guys are used to. From my house, for example, I can tour much of the "four corners" without the use of asphalt. Granted, you couldn't use it for a quick trip to the hardware store, but here "side by sides" are almost second cars. And the prices are comparable too.