[CraigMBAx]

All the shopping that I have done says this is more expensive than the stock stuff from the dealer.

Maybe. But NAPA is literally across the street and this is a farming area - they have HyTran. The nearest Jeep dealer is a half hour away.

The Mopar fluid is just HyTran. It's not a big deal Do whatever is easiest. YMMV.

The 247 was originally designed to use ATF after all, and it was only after customers complained about "chatter" and "noise" that some engineers apparently recommended a good tractor lubricant instead of the ATF the transfer case originally shipped with. A supplier was selected and a Mopar part number for a "special lubricant" was born.

Yep. You can wander into any place that sells or services big equipment or a petroleum distributor and ask for "HyTran" and not sweat it.

Mopar fluid is just HyTran. It's not special unicorn oil. It is unusual for automotive applications.

 

[99wjtx]

I must continue ... from my research, I put together this list of lubricants that will probably be OK to run in the 247 based on information found in a number of different places. However!!! Do so at your own risk. I never verified any of it, but I'd be confident trying any of them personally. Again - the 247 is not some kind of special tender little magic box that requires unicorn tears to keep it from flying apart. :wink2:

76 Hydraulic/Tractor Fluid
Amalie All Trac 245
Amoco 1000 Fluid
Bel-Ray Uni-Hytrans Fluid
BP Tractran® UTH
Case Hy-Tran Plus
Case Hy-Tran Ultra
Castrol UTF
Caterpillar Multipurpose Tractor Oil (MTO)
Cato Tractor Transdraulic Fluid John Deere
Cato Transdraulic Fluid Universal
Century Multitran
Century Supertorque II
CITGO Tractor Hydraulic Fluid
CITGO TRANSGARD® Tractor Hydraulic Fluid
Conoco Farm Master Hydraulic Transmission Fluid 20W/68
Conoco Hydroclear PowerTran® Fluid
Conoco POWER-TRAN® III Fluid
Country Energy Qwiklift® HTB
D-A Hydratrans 135
Dryden Universal Tractor & Hydrostatic Fluid
Esso Imperial Oil HYDRAUL® 56
Exxon Hydraul 56
Exxon Torque Fluid 56
Fina Universal Transdraulic Fluid
Gulf UNIVERSAL TRACTOR FLUID
Jax Unitran Fluid
John Deere Hy-Gard® Transmission and Hydraulic Oil
John Deere J20A/B/C
Kendall Hyken® 052 Farm Tractor Lubricant
Kerr-McGee Deep Rock® Trans-Hydraulic Fluid for Case IH
Kerr-McGee Deep Rock® Trans-Hydraulic Fluid for John Deere
Kerr-McGee Deep Rock® Universal Trans-Hydraulic Fluid
Lubricating Specialties Universal Tractor Fluid
Lubrication Engineers 7500 MONOLEC® Power Fluid
Lubriplate UTF C-4
Lyondell Tractor Fluid
Lyondell Ultrol® Tractor Fluid
Marathon Marafluid® Super HT
Mobilfluid® 424
Mystik JT-5 Universal Trans-Hydraulic Fluid
Mystik Power Lubricants® Economy Tractor Trans-Hydraulic Fluid
Mystik Power Lubricants® Trans-Hydraulic Fluid
Mystik Power Lubricants® Universal Trans-Hydraulic Fluid
Pennzoil HYDRA-TRANZ®
Petro-Canada Duratran
Phillips HG Fluid
Phillips Philube HG Fluid
Quaker State FCI HD Universal Tractor Hydraulic/Transmisssion Oil
Quaker State Tractor Hydraulic/Transmission Fluid
Schaeffer #115 Simplex Torque Converter Fluid
Shell Canada Donax® TD Oil
Shell DONAX® TD Transmission Fluid
Southwest Petroleum Company 709 Universal Tractor Transdraulic Oil
Southwest Petroleum Company UNIV TRACTOR TRANSDRAUL 709
Sunoco TH Fluid
Texaco TDH® Oil
Texaco TDH® Oil Special
Texas Refinery Corp SPECIAL 303 FLUID
Texas Refinery Corp UNIVERSAL TORQUE FLUID
Valvoline Unitrac Fluid

 

[HarryH3]

All the shopping that I have done says this is more expensive than the stock stuff from the dealer.

Then you haven't shopped in the right places.

2 QUARTS of the Mopar stuff costs $36. That's $72 per gallon. I posted a link above that lets you buy 2.5 GALLONS for $23. That's $9.20 per gallon, or $2.30 per quart. Even if you only used enough to fill the t-case once and threw away the rest, it would still cost less per fluid change than buying the Mopar-labeled bottles of the same liquid at an extreme markup. But when you use the rest to make the recommended 25K mile fluid changes, then the cost becomes incredibly cheap.

Like 99wjtx said above, this stuff is extremely common in the agriculture equipment world. Lots and lots of that equipment uses wet clutches, just like the coupler in the 247 does. Ag equipment gets used hard. No unicorn tears required.

 

[HarryH3]

I just noticed that Tractor Supply has this stuff on sale right now for $5 off. $17.99 for 2 gallons.

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/p...sc/product/traveller-universal-tractor-trans-hydraulic-fluid-2-gal?cm_vc=-10005

If you wonder if it really is compatible, check out the list of specs that it matches:

("Recommended for agriculture equipment and off-highway machinery requiring the following: John Deere: Quatrol, J20C, J20A, J21A, Hy-Gard J14B/C & Type 303 Fluid International Harvestor: Hy-Tran, B-6 AGCO (Massey Ferguson): M-1145, M-1143, M-1110, M-1127B, M-1129A, M-1135 Permatran III, M-1138, M-1141, White Q-1826, Allis Chalmers Power Fluid 821 XL, Duetz-Allis Hyd Trans Fluid, 25743, 272843, & AGCO-Allis Caterpillar: TO-2, & MTO (Multi- Application Tractor Oil), for older Backhoe Loader rear axles and Challenger Tractors J.I. Case: TFD (JIC-143/146), Hi-Vis (JIC-185), JIC-144/145, MS-1204, MS1205/1206/1207, MS-1210 (TCH) & B-6 Case New Holland: MAT3540, MAT3505, MAT3525, MAT3526, ESNM2C86-A/B/C, M2C134-A/B/C/D, M2C41-B, M2C43, M2C53-A/B & M2C92-A Vickers: I-2986-S, 104C, & M2950S, Denison UTTO, HF-0, HF-01, HF-02 Kubota Universal Transdraulic Fluid: UTD & Super UTD Sundstrand Hydrostatic Transmissions: JDQ-84 Volvo: BM, VCE 1273.03 & WB-101 (wet brake) Allison: C-4")

Now compare it to the official Mobil compatibility list from: https://www.mobil.com/en-us/commercial-vehicle-lube/pds/na-xx-mobilfluid-424

("This product is recommended for use in applications requiring:AGCO Powerfluid 821 XL, Allison C-4, API GL-4, Caterpillar TO-2, CNH MAT 3505, CNH MAT 3525, Denison UTTO/THF, FORD ESN-M2C134-D, FORDNH FNHA-2-C-201.00JICASE MS 1204, JICASE MS 1205, JICASE MS 1206, JICASE MS 1207, JICASE MS 1209, JOHN DEERE JDM J20C, MASSEY FERGUSON CMS M1141, New Holland WB NWH 410B, VOLVO BM" ).

 

[oomanoptt]

How many of you guys have used a non-MOPAR product that meets spec for an extended period of time?? I dont mind saving money but not at the expense of ruining my T Case. Especially since I have been changing it every 30k, which for me can be 5 years or more. Over that much time, its pretty cheap even at the MOPAR price. Why would I risk damage?

 

[WJ60]

I find it interesting that people will spend large sums of money on exterior items to make the truck look good, but won't spend a few extra dollars to make sure their drive train has the fluid it requires.

 

[HarryH3]

Keep in mind that the early 247's shipped from the factory with ATF in them. It was only after the soccer moms that drove most of them complained about the noisy clutches that they switched to what is basically a wet clutch lubricant mostly used in tractors. One of its "features"? Reduces clutch chatter. I'm planning to pick up the 2 gallon jug at Tractor Supply and give it a try. Worst thing that can happen is that I'll have to switch to a 242HD t-case. 0

 

[Sangster]

I find it interesting that people will spend large sums of money on exterior items to make the truck look good, but won't spend a few extra dollars to make sure their drive train has the fluid it requires.

This entire big *** thread is about using the fluid it requires. Just at a lower price point. You've missed the entire point.

 

[99wjtx]

For several years, I had a 242 on one WJ and a 247 on another. I ran Mobil 424 in BOTH transfer cases. Recently, I got rid of the 247 and now I run 242s on both WJs but I still haven't replaced the Mobil 424 in one of the 242s yet. The other 242 has plain red ATF in it.

The 242 with ATF shifts smoother and easier than the 242 with Mobil 424 in it. Conclusion? I like Mobil 424, but IMO there's certainly nothing wrong with the lubrication abilities of regular red ATF.

 

[WJ60]

This entire big *** thread is about using the fluid it requires. Just at a lower price point. You've missed the entire point.

Actually I didn't.

 

[CraigMBAx]

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How many of you guys have used a non-MOPAR product that meets spec for an extended period of time?? I dont mind saving money but not at the expense of ruining my T Case. Especially since I have been changing it every 30k, which for me can be 5 years or more. Over that much time, its pretty cheap even at the MOPAR price. Why would I risk damage?

It's just hytran. Get a grip people!

Can't any of you read labels? The Mopar label cites the API spec. All API spec oil meets spec. If it's the right spec, it's fine.

Don't overthink this. It's just hytran.