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Help: Roaring Noise after Fan Clutch Replacement

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#1 ·
I have an 06 Commander with the 4.7 V8. Started overheating about a week ago, never got into the red on the temp gauge, but went about 3/4.

Took it to my mechanic and he diagnosed bad fan clutch. Replaced it along with the t-stat and did a coolant system flush.

Ever since I picked it up, it has been making an awful roaring noise, and seems to have almost zero low end torque.

Taking it back today, but wondering if there is any advice out there? Possible wrong unit? installed incorrectly? (I do not know for sure, but i doubt they used genuine Mopar fan clutch)

Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
 
#4 ·
The clutch fans have a built in thermostat (usually a bi-metallic spring, either internally or externally) that begins "locking" the fan up at a set temperature. When the bi-metallic rotates with increased temperature, it moves a valve within the fan and redirects the viscous fluid within to start locking the fan up, bringing it closer to engine water pump RPM. A locked up clutch would be the cause of your increased air flow noise level. Years ago, in the middle of no where, I had one fail to lock up and caused an overheat. I ended up waiting for it to cool off, removed the fan, beat the crap out of the front of the clutch with a hammer and punch until it was locked up, and then put it back on and drove on until I could get a new one.

Sometimes the valve will stick and keep the fan locked up. I've also seen them where they wouldn't engage at all, either due to a bad spring/valve, dirt and crap on the external spring, or a loss of fluid. It's also possible the clutch is one that has a setting lower than what is desired.

A unit that is working correctly should be free wheeling upon initial cold start, and it should be turning noticeably slower than engine water pump speed. As the engine warms up the fan will begin picking up speed and if the engine temperature gets to the full activation temperature, you be able to hear it loud and clear. Back in the old days, when this type of fan was real popular, we used to have a couple tests to see if the clutch was working at least semi correctly. When the engine is at operating temperature, have someone shut the engine off when you're looking at the fan. The fan should turn no more than about 2-3 revolutions after engine shut off. Another unscientific test we used to do to check degree of lock up was to take a rolled up newspaper and, with the engine fully warmed up and running at idle, stick the newspaper into the fan blades. It should not be able to easily stop the blades from turning. If the blades are easily stopped, the clutch is probably not working as it should.

On yours, I'd for sure check to see if it is the correct fan, and not some "universal" that may not have the proper setting that corresponds with you thermostat temperature. My guess is, as much as I hate to say it, the factory unit is probably what you should get, unless you can find out the correct activation temperature and verify the new one is of the correct setting. If it's still making lots of noise, a few things could be going on...the one that was in there to begin with hasn't been working as it should have for quite some time or the new one is either working correctly, has the wrong setting or a stuck thermostat.

Another option from the old days, if you don't want to pay the big price for the viscous fan clutch, is to put some sort of flex fan on it.....fiberglass or stainless steel. Your noise level will be slightly higher than you're used to, but you'll never have to worry about clutch failure again, and your engine will run closer to your thermostat temperature under most conditions.

Good luck and let us know what you find out.
 
#5 ·
I should mention on my WJ it was not a MOPAR part. Rather a GM I believe that was a fit on 4.0L engines. And I forgot to mention it would quiet down after initial start up. No additional noise was heard after a minute or so after cold start
 
#6 ·
How well do you know/trust this shop? Depending on where you live, overheating at this time of year the most suspect would be the thermostat. And don't you have an electric fan as well. Is it coming on when it should? As explained by 90grandoneer, the clutch fan can fail but I'm not convinced that was your problem. Do you have the old thermostat, if so test it and see if it was bad. If so replacing it was all that needed to be done.
 
#7 ·
We had to replace the clutch fan on our '98 ZJ with the 4.0. By then the OE fans were NLA. So had to use aftermarket. The fan (Four Seasons brand) was louder but quieted down over about a year. It definitely cooled better and the ZJ never ran hot after that even on the beach.
 
#9 ·
Glad you got it fixed. Bet that fan clutch wasn't cheap from the stealer. On my classic Mercedes my clutch went bad, but I refused to pay the big bucks for a new stock unit. I ended up removing the fan all together and put a double electric fan setup on it. Worked better than it ever did, but was also a little more work. I had one fan come on at around the thermostat temperature and the other one (biggest) coming on at 100*C or anytime the A/C compressor was on. I controlled the little fan with a thermostat that plugged into the radiator fins and the bigger one with the factory 100*C switch and an extra wire going to the A/C compressor.
 

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#10 ·
My shop actually didn't charge me a dime to pull the aftermarket clutch and put in the new MOPAR part. I just went in and talked to the manager and explained that using non-OEM parts on the Commanders doesn't work well. They had one ordered from the dealer and installed the next day.