3.0 crd diesel wk aftermarket air intake review

kwikrnu · Jan 9, 2015

I ordered and paid for a cb-engineering air intake and resonator delete on December 11, 2014. I received it UPS on January 9, 2015. My impressions are that I would not buy the air intake if I had a "do over". I noticed no gains in power with either and expected none.

What I didn't like about the air intake:
The welds were ugly.
The aluminum was scratched up.
The aluminum intake was very thin.
The hold down for the air intake did not line up with the engine.
The length of the air intake was too short. Since it was too short the hold down did not line up and the end of the tube bent because there was less than an inch under the silicone tube to attach it on the turbo side.
The t bolt clamp was too small to attach the tubing to the turbo intake, I had to use a screw clamp.

I would not recommend the product to anyone. The factory intake looks better and is easier to install and remove.

mushkasdad · Jan 9, 2015

I am a new member here, but here are my thoughts.

Being a business owner all of my adult life, just a couple?'s.
Did you contact this man about your concerns?
was the product not as advertised?

thx,

kwikrnu · Jan 9, 2015

I did not contact cb-engineering. IMO, they know what they sent out.
It was not advertised as a scratched up mess. It was advertised as supposedly supposed to fit a crd grand Cherokee.

The review is an honest review of a product that was sent to me. I should not have to contact the vender before I post pictures and review a substandard product.

bersh · Jan 10, 2015

What about the resonator? I have a cat hose delete installed and have been mulling the delete from CB.

caddydaddy · Jan 10, 2015

I have the resonator delete pipe. It didn't fit 100% perfect, as the lower mounting tab stuck out too much to get the mounting bolt through it. I fixed it myself with a metal file, but I also let CB Engineering know about the problem!

The resonator pipe immediately gave me over a 1 MPG increase! :thumbsup: I'm very happy with it and would recommend it.

mushkasdad · Jan 10, 2015

I understand your dissatisfaction, I just think it could have been handled differently.

I too am looking hard at multiple products from CB.

thx,

Hendrix9 · Jan 10, 2015

mushkasdad said:
I understand your dissatisfaction, I just think it could have been handled differently. I too am looking hard at multiple products from CB. thx,

I completely agree with this. This is a very immature way of handling this situation. I've purchased from CB engineering twice and he's been a great guy to do business with.

Also, do you weld? This isnt a machine welded part, those welds don't look all that bad to me.

Oh, and no where does he say this is a polished aluminum intake. His picture is even a scratched up one worse than what you got. It's aluminum... It scratches easy.

You should have contacted him about fitment and I'm sure he would have sent you another and double checked his jig he uses to weld them up.

Tango. · Jan 10, 2015

It's not a bling item.. it's made for endurance and it's better than the plactic crap mopar has..

Question: Does the air intake fit under the engine cover?

caddydaddy · Jan 10, 2015

TangoTango said:
It's not a bling item.. it's made for endurance and it's better than the plactic crap mopar has..

Question: Does the air intake fit under the engine cover?

Yeah, I could care less what it looks like as well, as long as it functions.

Their page states the engine cover won't fit, and I believe it after seeing what a large diameter that pipe is compared to the plastic one!

SSF556 · Jan 10, 2015

The internet can be good and bad...this is a case of bad. I would think everything CB makes is considered a one off. He is not mass producing anything. I had an issue and contacted CB and told them my concerns. He fixed them. I did not air that on a public forum.

Drudgery1971 · Jan 10, 2015

My personal take is that pipe looks great compared to the plastic one that just cooked and became brittle after 120k miles on my CRD or the NEW one I just put on - also plastic. To each his own.

Drudgery1971 · Jan 10, 2015

By the way, my NEW plastic factory made intake 10mm bolt mount broke off because I installed it airbox side first, then turbo and then went - Oh sheesh the mid mount 10mm bolt mount broke. I should have went turbo inlet, then 10mm mid bolt then airbox because the airbox and MAF sensor connections have all the play.

jediknight · Jan 10, 2015

Quality Insurance ?? Haha Guys common !! Dont forget that the guy is doing this as hobby and he is gratefull enough to share his builds to whomever wants to buy. He is doing because people have asked for it. I'm sure if your patient and talk to him he will help. I'm sure that this is not his only job and only focus.
:thumbsup: to him

kwikrnu · Jan 10, 2015

It is not a hobby if he is getting paid good money to make it.

caulk04 · Jan 10, 2015

Did you reverse the two t-colt clamps? Looks like you've got a mile left on the other one.

I can't speak for fitment of the mounting tab, but usually there's a fair bit of wiggle room that you might be able to get it if you tried. There is also the real possibility that something was off slightly in his fixture. Unfortunate? Yes. Criminal? No.

As for the tubing thickness, what do you want, 1/4" wall pipe? It's an air intake, you don't need thick tubing.

Finally, the welds look pretty good for a DIY at home on thin wall material. It should have some scratches, it shows that he properly cleaned the material before welding. If it's not supposed to be a polished part, don't expect him to take time to do it.

Hendrix9 · Jan 10, 2015

caulk04 said:
Did you reverse the two t-colt clamps? Looks like you've got a mile left on the other one.

I can't speak for fitment of the mounting tab, but usually there's a fair bit of wiggle room that you might be able to get it if you tried. There is also the real possibility that something was off slightly in his fixture. Unfortunate? Yes. Criminal? No.
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I was wondering the same.

I priced out making my own and just the damn silicon adapter from turbo to pipe is like 35/45 bucks. 200$ is a VERY fair price for this, by the way.

Did you attach it to the turbo loosely then start the 10mm bolt and attach the filter box after that? You definitely have to play to get it to fit, even with the stock tube. It's a pain in the butt.

TurboDiesel · Jan 11, 2015

so how much do u want for it?

would go nice with my DPF delete and 3" intercooler and potential cat delete

kwikrnu · Jan 11, 2015

I'll sell it for $200 if you pick it up. You won't have to wait a month for it, wondering when it will ship.

ggrassmid · Jan 13, 2015

I've been looking at CB's piping for the intake and exhaust. Multiple people have purchased his DPF delete and I have not seen any issues with it. I personally bought his EHM for mine. The install instructions were lacking a little, a couple emails later and I had my questions answered. The aluminum plug that was supposed to go into the plastic intake pipe was actually a bit to bit and cause my original to split apart. That pipe also had the old orange gasket, so no big deal, got it replaced and plugged the rubber hose instead of the intake pipe, same effect, different location. Am I pissed at him for sending me wrong/bad parts; not enough to bash him opening. I found a easy fix to it, or emailed him and had my issues taken care of.

The guy is an engineer by trade, but does all this work at home in his garage. Just because he sells it doesn't make it less of a hobby! kwikrnu should start doing it in his garage and we can all buy it from him for $200 because his will be PERFECT, no imperfections or any other defects. All his products will fit all Jeep CRDs from 2007-2008.5 with the plethora of miles on each vehicle and various movements in mounts and stress that each vehicle endures, because everyones Jeep ages and reacts the same and everyone elses.

kwikrnu · Jan 13, 2015

I don't need to make an intake and offer it for sale to know that what I received was junk. My review was based upon what I received, period. The pictures show the intake in detail. The mount does not line up. The welds look like crap. The intake scratched. The length is too short. There is no arguing that it is a poor fit and that quality control is lacking.

BAH101 · Jan 13, 2015

Have you been in contact with Tnadanzig yet? Told him about your issues?

kwikrnu · Jan 13, 2015

I'm not interested in contacting him. Why should I? Would that change the fact that the product was not made correctly the first time? My interest was in making an honest review of a product I purchased online. Turns out that the vendor has a history of quality control issues.

SSF556 · Jan 13, 2015

BAH101 said:
Have you been in contact with Tnadanzig yet? Told him about your issues?

This guy has not interest in that......

caulk04 · Jan 13, 2015

Well, you see, you're just a customer that apparently cannot be satisfied.

The 'it looks like crap' statement is totally subjective. It's a hand made part and not advertised as a show piece.

Bottom line, you haven't proven anything here other than you're a troll.

One last thing, have you actually tried to make it fit as per my suggestion?

kwikrnu · Jan 13, 2015

I am satisfied that the part does not fit as it is supposed to fit. I am satisfied that there is no quality control. The part does not fit as advertised. It cannot be made to fit correctly because it was not made properly.

I did not expect a "show piece", but did expect it not to be scratched to the extent that it was.

Bottom line is I wrote a review and you disagree. :wave:

Maybe the "engineer" should place my pictures and review in his website so that people know what they are getting for their $200. I'm sure business will boom. :laugh:

caddydaddy · Jan 13, 2015

I contacted him to give him feedback so that the problems wouldn't continue. You should as well. Like was said, he very well may just send you a new one.

kwikrnu · Jan 13, 2015

I'm not interested. I bought the product. It didn't fit as it was supposed to. I made an honest review and that is all. I have no time for vendors who sell shoddy product.

caddydaddy · Jan 13, 2015

Are you going to return it?

mushkasdad · Jan 13, 2015

So let the horse die........

you cannot make everyone happy....

If you have a problem with me talk to me.... Let the man know. Have you ever fckd something up?????????????

thx,

HTHM · Jan 13, 2015

Did he sleep with your wife or something? You are being awfully vindictive. More so than is called for.

jediknight · Jan 13, 2015

Man oh man why so much bitterness ! dude seriously talk to him and see if you can come up with a solution. Why go out in public like that if you didn't even try contacting him first especialy in case like this where volume of production is low and manageable ? Then if this fails maybe you can come up with a negative review but before there is no point of screeming this out loud ...
:rofl:
Maybe kwikrnu didn't see that thread :
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f67/cb-eng-pro-lite-build-2324081/

chrali · Jan 14, 2015

Like others I am also considering CB products. The OP absolutely should have attempted to take his issues up with CB, but ultimately he is letting people know how disappointed in what he has personally received. Perhaps he had unrealistic expectations, or perhaps his product is rougher than others due to the hand built nature of these items.
Personally I'd paint the aluminium parts black which would solve the scratches and perhaps grind the welds.
CB now has a website to reach new potential customers, and these products are not cheap. When spending your hard earned money even on hand made parts, there is an expectation on what you will get, especially from guys who just found the website whilst surfing. It's a new business and I would imagine there are some growing pains involved with that. Certainly tuned ricers have custom fabricated pipe work with nice finishes and I would pay more for that myself.
I'm kinda surprised at the vitriol displayed to the OP though i.e. whining, it's certainty not the "Jeep thing" I enjoy seeing on this forum.

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bersh · Jan 14, 2015

chrali said:
...
I'm kinda surprised at the vitriol displayed to the OP though i.e. whining, it's certainty not the "Jeep thing" I enjoy seeing on this forum.

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His breach of etiquette was worse than Schwartz. Posting a negative review about a product is one thing. Refusing to contact the seller or trying to rectify the situation in any way defies logic and then calls into question his actual intent/motive/makes you scratch your head and ask WTF?

SSF556 · Jan 14, 2015

kwikrnu said:
I'm not interested. I bought the product. It didn't fit as it was supposed to. I made an honest review and that is all. I have no time for vendors who sell shoddy product.

something else is going on here...smells fishy

mushkasdad · Jan 14, 2015

When you attack someone's work and call it junk, your emotions have taken over.
We have all made mistakes, the question is in how you fix them.
The OP is angry about product and I feel more upset about delivery time.

thx

mushkasdad · Jan 14, 2015

Again I understand you are not happy with product.
Good for you for letting him know.

kwikrnu · Jan 14, 2015

How naïve of you to think he doesn't. This thread has around 1000 views to date.

tnadanzig · Jan 14, 2015

This is the first I have seen this thread. I haven't been on the foums much lately as the work load hasn't allowed me much free time. However, if you are unhappy with any product I make you can contact me and I will make it right. Sorry that you had fitment issues. These are a one off part that I make. I don't advertise that you are going to see a huge power increase from just an intake tube swap. I fit these part on my Jeep before I send them out and they fit correctly when I fit them up. The front t-bolt clamp is my bad. I tried a new supplier for that clamp and I have had two that worked and obviously this one hasn't. I hand weld these part myself. I will never brag that I am the greatest aluminum tig welder. I pressure test them to make sure they don't leak. I don't plan on re-polishing the tubes unless it is requested or I charge more. As most know, I am a small shop and do this on the side. I have and will continue to experience some growing pains and I will stand behind the products I make. I anyone is unhappy with the parts I make please let me know so we can figure out how to best move forward.
Thanks,
Christian
CBE

kwikrnu · Jan 14, 2015

tnadanzig said:
I fit these part on my Jeep before I send them out and they fit correctly when I fit them up.

If you fit it to your jeep, then why didn't the clamp you sent fit? Do you fit the entire intake to include hoses and clamps? Or do you partially fit the intake kit w/o the clamps hoping they would work?

tnadanzig said:
]The front t-bolt clamp is my bad. I tried a new supplier for that clamp and I have had two that worked and obviously this one hasn't.

Since you did not answer my email, I request the following:

1. I would like a refund for what it will cost me to ship the intake to you plus $200.
2. I will ship the intake to you as soon as I receive the factory replacement that I ordered. My original was thrown away the day I received yours on the brown truck. I ordered a replacement stock intake a few minutes ago.

I will give up rights to the pictures I posted and allow you to use them on your site to show the quality of welds and the amount of scratching on the air intake tube. I would recommend that you edit the product description to show that the item may not ship for several weeks once the order is placed.

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