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I didn't do anything - the muffler shop did. The new exhaust manifold puts the pipe at a different angle, so the original 258 pipe wouldn't work. I took the upper half of the exhaust along with the new manifold from the donor vehicle. That did fit - kind of - and the original muffler was just about shot so I just bit the bullet and got a new exhaust system put on for about $180 and it was well worth it. They put one of those turbo types on but it was so loud I just went back to the stock type.
 
All I did was cut that area of the bracket and welded a washer (actually 2 washers on rop of eachother) after finding the correct spot over the bolt hole,took the bracket off and welded it solid.....no problems yet
 
alljagged could you take a pic? I don't have a welder, but was going to take it to the muffler guy to make me up something to connect the tubing and maybe I could get him to do up something at the same time, rather than me trying to fab it up.
 
All I did was cut that area of the bracket and welded a washer (actually 2 washers on rop of eachother) after finding the correct spot over the bolt hole,took the bracket off and welded it solid.....no problems yet
Yea, please tell us. I asked this question months ago and got no response. I have yet to hook up my exhaust.
 
Colt, what did you do about the extra water jacket ports in the 4.0 head? Did you use the head bolt spacers for the different size bolts?
 
Has anyone actually dyno'd their rigs before and after the swap, or have any quantifiable evidence that it improves performance? It sounds like a lot of work, but I'm interested if there is a significant improvement.

I'm leery of comments like "4.0 head turned a great engine into an awesome engine", though. I read similar comments about the Team Rush upgrade, and was a little disappointed when I completed mine. I really didn't notice a difference. Of course, my original ignition was still in good shape, so that could explain why there was minimal improvement.

Anyway, I'm glad your swap went well.

Matt
 
Doing alot of searching over the past month or two I only found one person (and I think it was on pirate4x4) that did a before and after dyno with a head swap and nothing else done (kept his carb - weber I think) and stated a 30 something horsepower gain. There were no dyno sheets posted but it was a good 9-10 page thread discussing the head swap. You gotta figure though in their prime our engines only make 112 so anytime you can get a 20-40% increase in HP that's going to be huge. Gimme another week or two and I can give you some good info. I had problems maintaing 65 mph going up hills in my auto and highway acceleration was terrible. I suspect alot of that was air breathing issues because when it was very cool outside the issues would lessen considerably.
 
Discussion starter · #28 ·
As I said in the OP, the impetus for my upgrade was the prior owner's removal of all emissions equipment. I don't think I mentioned that he'd put some kind of Weber-clone carb on it which resulted in less than stellar performance.
Rather than go back to the original carb-based setup, I decided to move up to fuel injection. It certainly brought more power in my case, but I wasn't OEM. The big thing, of course, is that it sailed through emissions testing and was so clean the tech thought his equipment might have a problem until I told him the story. After the transplant, the jeep starts right up at the turn of the key and runs smooth, strong and quiet. Dyno stats are pretty much irrelevant to me, given the above.
 
When I did the 4.0 head swap (near 20 years ago now) I just cleaned the coolant ports well and packed in some water soluble packing peanuts then filled them with epoxy putty. After a couple of days to let it harden well I leveled the putty with a mill file and bolted the head on (my block had 1/2" bolts).
I used a stock cast aluminum 4.0 valve cover.
Lining up a high port head with the low port 4.0 injection manifold that I was using on the 258 took a bit of grinding but nothing about the whole deal was difficult nor less than obvious.
If anything the 4.0 "ho" headjob decreased my performance slightly and was a distinct waste of time, effort and money (about $150).

Enjoy!
 
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I did pretty much the same thing. I stuffed a few of the packing peanuts (made of cornstarch or something like that, not styrofoam, so they'll later dissolve) in each hole and then filled in with JB Weld. After letting that cure, used a flat file to remove the excess. I had already used the proper 4.0 intake when I made the move to EFI, so all I had to do was change the exhaust header. I used the stainless one from a Grand Cherokee and it just bolted right up. I perceived a little more mid range power. Nothing earth-shattering, but noticeable, and smoother-running.

WRT the bolts, I just lined up the head and bolted it down (torquing in the pattern specified in the shop manual). I know that the conventional wisdom is never to reuse the head bolts, but I couldn't find any verifiable reason not to if the originals are in good shape, so I did reuse them and so far, so good.

Colt, what did you do about the extra water jacket ports in the 4.0 head? Did you use the head bolt spacers for the different size bolts?
 
Did your fuel injection kit use a GM PCM or a mopar one? There are very few hacks for a mopar PCM. But many (tunercat) good ones for GM and the MPFI 4.3l would work I think. Both swaps are on my bucket list.

The harmonic balancer swap was probably for a crank trigger ignition pickup needed in some MPFI kits. (howel may be or the factory mopar and you don't have a hole in trans to count fly wheel teeth.)
 
I know that the conventional wisdom is never to reuse the head bolts, but I couldn't find any verifiable reason not to if the originals are in good shape, so I did reuse them and so far, so good.
Some years ago some/many/most? manufacturers cheapened their products by switching to "torque to yield" head bolts these bolts are designed to be torqued to their yield point, which permanently stretches them, then discarded. Torque to yield head bolts should not be reused. The old 258s did not use torque to yield head bolts and it is perfectly OK to reuse them as they are not permanently stretched when torqued to factory specs.

Enjoy!
 
Sorry coming into this one a little late, but I am getting ready to install the Hesco mpfi kit and debating on swapping to a 4.0 head, does anybody have a list of what exactly is needed for this? And also do you buy the 4.2 or 4.0 head gasket?
Heres a list of what i bought when i did my 4.0 HO head swap.

4.0 HO head 7120 head casting i was told its the best one to use (92-95 years)
4.0 head gasket, - answers your other question
4.0 intake/exhuast gasket
4.0 header
4.0 valve cover
"JB weld" to seal the water ports
hemi orange high temp paint - not completely necessary :D

now depending on year you may need head centering washers. These
i used a carb so i kept my 4.2 intake but you use a 4.0 one for MPFI
I also reused my 4.2 pushrods, but ever case seems to be different.

im pretty sure thats about it :cheers2:
 
-jeep-jeep- said:
Heres a list of what i bought when i did my 4.0 HO head swap.

4.0 HO head 7120 head casting i was told its the best one to use (92-95 years)
4.0 head gasket, - answers your other question
4.0 intake/exhuast gasket
4.0 header
4.0 valve cover
"JB weld" to seal the water ports
hemi orange high temp paint - not completely necessary :D

now depending on year you may need head centering washers. These
i used a carb so i kept my 4.2 intake but you use a 4.0 one for MPFI
I also reused my 4.2 pushrods, but ever case seems to be different.

im pretty sure thats about it :cheers2:
Thank you, mine is a 79 so the head bolts will be the same.
 
Actually your head bolts might not be the same. The older 258s had longer bolts that will bottom out about half an inch too high, I found that out the hard way. Also the 4.0 bolts don't have as large of head on them either, which makes a difference on the bolts on the outside of the valve cover. I used some grade 8 bolts that have the same head size as the 258 bolts and had to do some fancy grinding on my new aluminum value cover to get it to fit. Also the ones under the valve cover are a very tight fit with socket on them when tightening. I would defenatly suggest using the 4.0 bolts I would if I was to ever do it again.
 
james04si said:
Actually your head bolts might not be the same. The older 258s had longer bolts that will bottom out about half an inch too high, I found that out the hard way. Also the 4.0 bolts don't have as large of head on them either, which makes a difference on the bolts on the outside of the valve cover. I used some grade 8 bolts that have the same head size as the 258 bolts and had to do some fancy grinding on my new aluminum value cover to get it to fit. Also the ones under the valve cover are a very tight fit with socket on them when tightening. I would defenatly suggest using the 4.0 bolts I would if I was to ever do it again.
Ok thanks for the heads up.
 
Here are a few pictures showing what I am talking about with the bolts.

The first picture is of the 4.0 head with the old 258 bolts bottomed out all the way in the threads. See how it has about half an inch to go to even reach the head. Also If you use bolts with heads like the 258 came with it gets tight with a socket on the bolt down where the bolt would mate to the head.
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Next is the old 258 head. Notice how it does not step down like the 4.0 head for the bolt mounting surface.
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And the last picture is where I had to grind away on the 4.0 valve cover so that it would sit flush on the head with the 258 bolts on the side that sits outside of the valve cover.
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