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Thanks Uniblurb! Your information here has helped me resolved the issue I was facing with my O2 sensors for months! I owe you a huge amount of thanks! If there are some pictures of the 4.0L that can help others on the forums, please let me know and I will try to grab them when I head under yet again this weekend. While I was able to resolve my main issue with the 02 sensors, I'd like to make sure that my electrical issues are 100% resolved and the necessary grounding straps are installed. The one thing I am still confused about is where the non-engine side of G104 is supposed to ground to?
 
Below is a diagram which is a little different than the one I have in this ground write-up. But it's from the 2000 WJ. I think we know where G103 is and again it looks like G104 is near the oil dipstick tube bracket area. Good luck.
Thank you!

I can confirm that you are right about the engine side locations for G104 and &G104
 
Ground for OS2 Bank 1 (upstream)

I've used this thread several times - thanks again for the awesome work here! Have decided to take a more systematic approach to eliminating potential reasons for Code on Oxygen Sensor 2 Bank 1. I've read through the thread several times to see if what I need to know has already been covered but I'm either blind or it really isn't here... (it's hard to believe 'cos this is such a great write-up).
On the 4.7L '03, which ground point is Oxygen Sensor 2 Bank 1 connected to?
 
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@62JEEP, you likely won't find the info your looking for on the grounding points for the upstream 1/1 and upstream 2/1 oxygen sensors in my ground write-up since I couldn't find them in the 04 FSM schematics. Do you have the 03 FSM and it should be real close to the 04 FSM?

Per the 04 FSM 8W-30-32 for 4.7 LHD there is no actual engine block/body ground for the upstream 1/1 and 2/1 oxygen sensors shown. But these sensors are grounded through the PCM C1 pin/receptacle 4. It should be noted the PCM is grounded to G103 on the passenger side block.

On 8W-30-33 for the 04 4.7 they show the Downstream 1/2 and 2/2 oxygen sensors grounded to G104 which is on the driver's side block of my 04 4.7. These downstream oxygen sensors also use the PCM C1 #4 pin/receptacle ground through the harness.

It's kind of interesting that PCM ground on connector C1, pin/receptacle #4 is a black/light blue wire where every oxygen sensor and all engine compartment sensors share this common ground. Believe there's too many things spliced into this ground and when you have a shorted sensor it makes it more difficult to troubleshoot. Good luck.
 
Hey my Man!
You don't know the Time & Expense that you have saved me by posting your lengthy thread way back when. As you know, you can Google the subject all day long and come up with 50 different variations. Only Jeepforum can give you the tech savvy you're after. I am under the Jeep now recleaning G103. After 4 months of study, purchasing tools and parts, working around heat and rain and work schedules when I went to start the Jeep up there was no data link,
there was no instrument cluster, nothing. I thought I blew the PCM out. Never thought my G103 mending would make things worse! I have one urgent question for you that I hope you can answer. The main battery ground: the largest, longest black cable coming from the negative loom that you showed in one of your earliest photos of the small black ground strap coming from the rear of the PCM to the stud: I see a long black cable directly above it getting ready to be tightened down but there is no mention of the cable.. Assuming does nothing but get me in trouble. Jeep style. Currently, I have it grounded to the frame because I couldn't remember where the hell it came from. I would really appreciate it if you could do one last Act of God and let me know if this main ground cable goes on that stud. I really appreciate your help and will be eagerly awaiting further Jeep advice. Your post has probably saved fellow Jeep masochists hundreds of thousands of dollars easily. Thank you for taking the time to do that; it's a beautiful thing. What a wonderful country we live in.
 
Discussion starter · #106 ·
Hey Doncefail, you're welcome and thanks.

From the negative battery terminal connector there are 2 large black 6-gauge cables. One cable connects to G101 which is far forward on the inner passenger fender (see photo of G101 towards beginning of thread). The other large black cable connects to G103 on the engine block you're cleaning.

That large stud on top next to the intake only has the small black cable attached to it which connects to the back of the PCM case. The other item which connects to it is a clamp from the harness which is supposed to stabilize the harness and just goes around the wire loom to hold it steady.

I'm not sure if that answers your question or not? If not let me know.

Below is the photo again from the very beginning of this thread which shows the stud, small cable for PCM case ground and wire loom stabilizing clamp.
 

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Thank you for taking the time to drop me a line. I I've been working most of the day believe it or not getting 102 and 103 ready for their respective cables. I truck the connectors down to bare metal then clean them with acetone and then cold galvanized them. The bolt holes were cleaned with p b Blaster along with the bolts and then blown out with compressed air and they are squeaky clean. I may have told you that I cleaned 103 obviously not well enough so I don't want this to occur again. Wherever the negative cable came from it would have had to have come off because it would have been in the way when I replaced the timing components . I just cannot recall whether it was off of the frame or where it came off of. I ran down the cable at the end of the PDC and it is the Alternator ground.
 

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Uniblurb I finally got around to reading your whole write up and all responses. Excellent! I don't currently have any issues but I know where to go if I do. I would like to make a comment about the grounds straps underneath that connect to the exhaust clamp. They most likely are part of the 12v system, but could they also be there for static electricity buildup? Just curious what you think.
 
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Process of elimination my friend. I am WORE OUT!!!!! Closing my little shop and heading over my girl's place with my pup. Tm is another day. We're blessed. Have a great Turkey Day.
Don
Agree, there's always another day and have a happy turkey day.
 
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Uniblurb I finally got around to reading your whole write up and all responses. Excellent! I don't currently have any issues but I know where to go if I do. I would like to make a comment about the grounds straps underneath that connect to the exhaust clamp. They most likely are part of the 12v system, but could they could also be there for static electricity buildup. Just curious what you think.
Thanks WJ60 and appreciate it.

I've seen many say they don't have those ground straps on their exhaust to the body and don't have any problems. And believe many say those flat ground straps are only to cut down on RFI (radio frequency interference).

But I agree with what you're saying and wouldn't doubt the hot exhaust flowing super fast through the exhaust system causes some static electricity.

I like the way that particular underneath ground strap system is set up in being connected to the body > exhaust > rear of transmission housing. With the transmission insulated by a rubber mount it's likely a good idea to ground the case since there's so many electronics (solenoids, sensors, NSS, etc..) involved in these transmissions. I may be overthinking this but I'll continue to keep the grounds underneath the way they were originally set up.

Have a good Thanksgiving!
 
Some may remember that, while no means convinced, I did what seemed to be the right thing & replaced these grounds which were, to all intents & purposes, missing. However I would've thought "hot exhaust flowing super fast through the exhaust system causes some static electricity" would, if anything, be a performance car problem - but have never come across a grounded exhaust on anything other than the WJ. (of course it might be a "modern"/American thing)
 
Discussion starter · #114 ·
I'm not so sure having a ground strap on the exhaust is a "modern" or American thing. Believe my old Audi Fox S/W had an OE ground strap on the exhaust. Also when I goggle "exhaust ground strap" I find info on BMW, GM, Infinity, Nissan, and even Land Rover. Agree on it being the right thing to have them in place on our WJ's.
 
g100 6awg blk is located on the engine block beside the starter
and g101 is to the frame right beside the battery.

most people just put this at g103 which is located towards the front.
g100 is the stud just under the oil filter.
g103 is pcm, sensor and datatlink ground. i would not put battery ground here. hope this helps, the rest of the info is spot on and very useful for the DIY ers.
 

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fixed lots of wires, very few grounds. here people worry wayy to much...


the only one was taillight wires that disappeard into rear fender.
 
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g100 6awg blk is located on the engine block beside the starter
and g101 is to the frame right beside the battery.

most people just put this at g103 which is located towards the front.
g100 is the stud just under the oil filter.
g103 is pcm, sensor and datatlink ground. i would not put battery ground here. hope this helps, the rest of the info is spot on and very useful for the DIY ers.
Are you talking about both the 4.0 and the 4.7 concerning ground locations? I thought I covered most all of these using diagrams and photos at the beginning of this write-up. A photo of G100 near the 4.0 starter would help. And believe you're saying this is a stud below the oil filter on the 4.0?

On my 04 4.7 the G103 to the rear of G102 on the passenger side engine block for the PCM grounds and datalink connector. This is the original location for one of the two main 6 gauge battery grounds. I see no problem in having the battery ground on the block at the same location with the PCM ground and it was designed that way.

The G101 other 6 gauge battery ground is on the inner front fender next to the PDC. This should hold true for both the 4.0 and 4.7.

Here are a couple of the diagrams again to clarify and the photo of G101 is on my 04 4.7. Also included is a photo of G103 and G102 which is in the "Edit/Addition" section at the end of the write-up.
 

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fixed lots of wires, very few grounds. here people worry wayy to much...

the only one was taillight wires that disappeard into rear fender.
I ended up on these Jeep forums almost 9 years ago due to bad grounds on my 96 4.0 ZJ engine block. It was either G102 or G103 and a corroded/oily PCM ground took out 2 PCMs along with 2 Mopar crank sensors to boot.

And a few of those times when it broke down I was on the freeways, in high-speed highway traffic, or in the boondocks. Not fun when you're risking your wife and family due to break-downs 'out of the blue'.

I don't worry about grounds but I am going to use preventative maintenance to make sure they're good and clean so I don't end up with problems down the road.

It's easy 2oldjeeps and if you don't want to know/learn about a particular topic just ignore the thread by not reading it.
 
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