when they went from mygig radio to the new spyware radio in 2014

it sends a lot more then just GPS

stellantis plans to make 20 billion euros a year selling their car owners data
see link below

"The business unit called Mobilisights, which was announced Thursday at CES 2023 in Las Vegas, is a key piece of the global automaker’s bid to generate 20 billion euro in annual revenue from software-related services by the end of the decade."

to disable must remove cell call ability from the spyware radio as that is a dedicated cell line owned by stellantis and used to push out updates and collect data stored in your vehicle
(they even sell it to insurance companies so they can keep track of things like acceleration hard braking and speed with location and time data)

Stellantis launches new business unit to turn your vehicle data into cash | TechCrunch

Stellantis launched a new business unit called Mobilisights dedicated to turning all that vehicle data into marketable products — and revenue.

techcrunch.com

 

Thanks.

Is there any way to disable that cellular function?

 

On my silverado, I just unscrewed the mini antenna.

 

which radio do you have

 

I don't, yet. I'm thinking of getting a Ram or GC at some point. If I can get one without it spying on me, great... but it sounds like I'd have to go 10+ years old.

I'd like to get something newer and have the cellular doohicky excised.

 

I would suspect the 'wi-fi' aspect also has some affects. Put on your tin-foil hat, let's go for a ride.
Wonder how that police officer knew your seatbelt was undone when you passed each other at 60--at night?
What about how long the vehicle was static at a place, you know, like the bar?
How could he clock you speeding 2 miles back before you slowed a mile ago, with him sitting in that doughnut shop parking lot?
Etc.
Blame OnStar like stuff, Wifi, cellular connections, and so on. Now aren't you glad you paired your cellphone to your car, computer, tablet, TV, watch...etc. It's in every vehicle now. IMSI catchers for your cell service are not used just by criminals but the police. Heck, how did Big Brother know to inform me that YOU had just posted on the JeepForum.

But don't worry. We'll watch over you. It's all done for your own good.

B.E.F.

 

details depends on which spyware radio you are trying to disable

 

"Our investigations found that five car companies put their customers’ privacy first by requiring a warrant for location data, absent an emergency or customer consent: GM, Honda, Ford, Tesla and Stellantis. Ford’s warrant policy is recent; the company adopted this higher standard after engaging with Senator Wyden’s office. While less protective of customer privacy, Hyundai’s policy of accepting a warrant or other court orders still meets the bar set by the industry in its voluntary privacy principles.Page 2 In contrast, Toyota, Nissan, Subaru, Volkswagen, BMW, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz, and Kia all confirmed that they will disclose location data to U.S. government agencies in response to subpoenas, which do not require a judge’s approval. Volkswagen indicated that it will require a warrant for more than seven days of location data, but will disclose six days or less in response to a subpoena. These companies are not just less protective of their customers’ privacy. Their policies directly contradict the public commitment the companies made and invited the FTC to enforce. As such, these companies may have engaged in deceptive conduct, which is prohibited by Section 5 of the FTC Act....."

-excerpt of a letter from two members of the Senate

 

Even with a warrant, the data is out there... saved in a cloud... a hacker can get that stuff, and even with a warrant i find this a no go.
When the car safes that stuff local... fine, but sending it to a cloud is just pure money making...

 

why they are going broke when they plan to make more on your info then they do making the vehicles. Quality dont matter just your info.

Not sure the year it will happen very soon but the feds want your car to know if you have been drinking.

So before you drive you have to blow your car? Trouble with this type system would be a false positive. Leaving you stranded.

another idea they are floating is that today's vehicles could be snitches. reporting speeding vehicles. So they not only watch how you drive but others as well.

When they came out with the first "incident recorders"/ the black box. is when this all started its way to 1984. Tough i have used the black box once to prove that there was no incident. Took some red tape and third party to get the report from that box. I was correct as well. the BOX said it never happened. Could have went the other way.....

I wont buy a new vehicle again and could easy. 100k is a lot for a vehicle that be lucky to get through warranty. Its not 100k that bothers me. Its the fact that at that cost thing should be built like a Rolex. run 300k miles +.

For now i'll drive the 96f250 7.3 only has 210k on it just broke in. still has compression of a new one. Not as powerful as the new ones. but this runs like a clock still after 28 years. even ancillary parts have been rather amazing. Like just in the past few years. it has need an A/c compressor. That last 26 years of AZ and Texas heat. air pump went same stock. I wonder if what i am buying in parts today that claim OEM. will last that long? I bet not. all the windows work are electrical. drivers door actuator went out about 5 years ago. Bought a doorman part for like 15 bucks.......easy peasy

You know no matter how you cut it they can follow your every movement if you have a phone that is using GPS and the rest..Time to go back to an Atlas and topo maps.....I still have them lol....maybe buy a burner phone

 

why they are going broke when they plan to make more on your info then they do making the vehicles. Quality dont matter just your info.

Not sure the year it will happen very soon but the feds want your car to know if you have been drinking.

So before you drive you have to blow your car? Trouble with this type system would be a false positive. Leaving you stranded.

another idea they are floating is that today's vehicles could be snitches. reporting speeding vehicles. So they not only watch how you drive but others as well.

When they came out with the first "incident recorders"/ the black box. is when this all started its way to 1984. Tough i have used the black box once to prove that there was no incident. Took some red tape and third party to get the report from that box. I was correct as well. the BOX said it never happened. Could have went the other way.....

I wont buy a new vehicle again and could easy. 100k is a lot for a vehicle that be lucky to get through warranty. Its not 100k that bothers me. Its the fact that at that cost thing should be built like a Rolex. run 300k miles +.

For now i'll drive the 96f250 7.3 only has 210k on it just broke in. still has compression of a new one. Not as powerful as the new ones. but this runs like a clock still after 28 years. even ancillary parts have been rather amazing. Like just in the past few years. it has need an A/c compressor. That last 26 years of AZ and Texas heat. air pump went same stock. I wonder if what i am buying in parts today that claim OEM. will last that long? I bet not. all the windows work are electrical. drivers door actuator went out about 5 years ago. Bought a doorman part for like 15 bucks.......easy peasy

You know no matter how you cut it they can follow your every movement if you have a phone that is using GPS and the rest..Time to go back to an Atlas and topo maps.....I still have them lol....maybe buy a burner phone

Thats how modern economy is... data is the most valuable thing in existence... i think the term : Your car becomes your 4-wheeled phone is quite fitting. Touch screen, cameras, assistance systems that fail too often to be actualy worth the extra money spent...

I am 21 and bought a 98' ZJ, put a new radio and stuff in it, but damn be sure i rather not have a screen, pay 200$ more insurance to not have a blackbox installed and for sure wont install anything in there that can track or record data!

I also like to have simple mirrors that dont blink red when i begin indicating left when there is a car on the left... like damn car leave me alone, i know there is a car i just want to indicate already!

I treat my Phone the same " i dont trust you", i do not have any cloud subscriptions or anything, i do not have my phone connected with my laptop nor any other device... i never use a cloud or anything to transfer pictures or adresses...

Im not paranoid, in fact i dont give a s**t about that data... but i do not consent any organisation to straight up sell/buy data that is belonging to me... beginning with where i am and what i do--> car/ location on my phone...
unfortunately, no matter what, someone is always receiving data about you somehow...

like google Ads here about spy camera protection right now for instance!!!!

 

So first off, we keep talking about legal subpoenas and so on, but you -may- very well have given your consent already when you purchased the vehicle in one form or another.
E.g., 'by purchasing this vehicle you grant your consent to ... personal data and driving habits ... third parties ... law enforcement...;'
Or 'Big Car Corporation retains all rights to vehicle software and applicable collected data ... and may at its discretion share data with ... third parties ... law enforcement ... insurance....'

In my post above, I intentionally tried to sound like a delusional paranoid to be sarcastic. There is a reason police cruisers use laptops looking things now, and it's not just so they can surf porn while on duty. Just because you can choose for your phone, vehicle, tablet, whatever to not display certain data, does not stop it from from being collected or block others from viewing it. How do they know to tell your navigation which roads are heavy traffic, blocked, have accidents or construction? Because you send data and they send it back.

That said, you may insist you don't want microphones, GPS tracking, cameras and so on, so you might not have access to it, but it will still be installed (cheaper to do it that way), and if it is there, it can be accessed. I mentioned IMSI catchers (you can google them). IMSI catchers--old tech--can be used to trick your phone into thinking it is communicating with legitimate systems without knowing it is between you and them. At that point, it can send to your device information which the dev. believes is legitimate and alter the software. IOW, now turn on your microphones, cameras, GPS, key loggers (texting), etc.

In the end there is nothing we can do about it except to not use such devices. For every one who doesn't want it, 10 more just can't live without their navigation, instant updates to social media, their 'Ring' doorbells and home security, and so on. So combine the reasons of 'common good, crime prevention, a majority of users who don't care, corporations that make money from it, have you sign disclaimers and away your rights to privacy to protect themselves from your lawsuits, etc...,'

And 1984 levels monitoring of the population is childs-play. Most of all, they have convinced the population life is easier with them--which makes people beg for it, demand such overwatch--and so they grin and give the people what they want.

B.E.F.

 

So first off, we keep talking about legal subpoenas and so on, but you -may- very well have given your consent already when you purchased the vehicle in one form or another.
E.g., 'by purchasing this vehicle you grant your consent to ... personal data and driving habits ... third parties ... law enforcement...;'
Or 'Big Car Corporation retains all rights to vehicle software and applicable collected data ... and may at its discretion share data with ... third parties ... law enforcement ... insurance....'

In my post above, I intentionally tried to sound like a delusional paranoid to be sarcastic. There is a reason police cruisers use laptops looking things now, and it's not just so they can surf porn while on duty. Just because you can choose for your phone, vehicle, tablet, whatever to not display certain data, does not stop it from from being collected or block others from viewing it. How do they know to tell your navigation which roads are heavy traffic, blocked, have accidents or construction? Because you send data and they send it back.

That said, you may insist you don't want microphones, GPS tracking, cameras and so on, so you might not have access to it, but it will still be installed (cheaper to do it that way), and if it is there, it can be accessed. I mentioned IMSI catchers (you can google them). IMSI catchers--old tech--can be used to trick your phone into thinking it is communicating with legitimate systems without knowing it is between you and them. At that point, it can send to your device information which the dev. believes is legitimate and alter the software. IOW, now turn on your microphones, cameras, GPS, key loggers (texting), etc.

In the end there is nothing we can do about it except to not use such devices. For every one who doesn't want it, 10 more just can't live without their navigation, instant updates to social media, their 'Ring' doorbells and home security, and so on. So combine the reasons of 'common good, crime prevention, a majority of users who don't care, corporations that make money from it, have you sign disclaimers and away your rights to privacy to protect themselves from your lawsuits, etc...,'

And 1984 levels monitoring of the population is childs-play. Most of all, they have convinced the population life is easier with them--which makes people beg for it, demand such overwatch--and so they grin and give the people what they want.

B.E.F.

Yep.. if its there, it will be used… no matter what… thats why i will never buy a modern device unless required… mercedes supposedly uses data from you day to day travel distances to increase battery percentage. If it sees you always use 10% for a certain travel, it will begin showing you that you need less, making you think it needs less… bit in reality it just shows less…

—> daily comutee = 20miles / 10% battery
after a moth or two it will show to only use 6% inatead of 10% but still use those 10%…
Imagine your fuel gauge showing half full but your tank is almost empty… that kinda adjustment… one guy noticed this after using 60% daily when he got the car, which then reduced to 37%… but when he then once went for a longer ride, as soon as it passed those 37% the remaining 57% emptied much much faster than the 37% before