There is no specific answer to your question, it depends on a lot of variables. Traction, trail surface, suspension, if the driver can avoid doing something stupid, etc.

Jon on Sunbonnet didn't roll his Jeep here on Sunbonnet in Johnson Valley, I didn't roll mine on the Gatekeeper in Doran Canyon near Barstow California.

The bottom line is our TJs can be tipped over a lot further without rolling than most would guess.

 

Jon on Sunbonnet didn't roll his Jeep here on Sunbonnet in Johnson Valley, I didn't roll mine on the Gatekeeper in Doran Canyon near Barstow California.

There's nowhere to roll. The rocks are keeping you from doing that.

 

Since posting the question I have been reading some other post. It seems like the currie antirock is a good solution to improve offroad "tippyness". Is that a fair statement?

 

Currie's Antirock definitely improves on a Jeep's stability in tippy-iffy-uneven trail conditions.

 

Many times,I have been stopped and parked at what I thought was an severe angle. I'll get out for whatever reason, look back and wonder why I thought the angle was severe. I think most of the fear is in our heads. The psychology of a trail is a very interesting aspect of offroad driving

Controlling movement goes a long way towards maintaining stability. The Antirock is one of many components and design considerations that contribute to this.

 

Many times,I have been stopped and parked at what I thought was an severe angle. I'll get out for whatever reason, look back and wonder why I thought the angle was severe. I think most of the fear is in our heads. The psychology of a trail is a very interesting aspect of offroad driving.

X2 exactly.

I took my wife out offroading on an extremely easy gentle beginner trail many years ago. We weren't even in 4x4 yet when the Jeep was on the gentlest of very slightly off-camber sections. Less steep than many freeway on or offramps. She started freaking out and screaming at me that we were going to roll. I stopped the Jeep and after helping her out, led her to 20-25' behind the Jeep where she was able to tell it was barely tipped any at all.

Her being able to see that our Jeep was not even close to rolling helped her a lot. Our stomachs and minds can play some serious tricks on us.

 

When I first started wheeling, my wife's instructor told us that there will be two things that will kick our butts that we need to learn how to do and how to deal with. 1st was going backwards, 2nd was being offcamber. I made it a point to get good at both and neither scare me much any more.

The best thing you can do is find out where your comfort level is and then keep working past it. My buddy Sergey in this pic below is in motion. He's fearless.

I'm not as fearless but I've had to drive out of several what would have been flops had I continued what I was doing.

This was not one of those and the rock on the low side is only touching the fabric on the trail door, not the rocker.

 

I think you are right to the extent that a lot of it is in my head. I rolled a JK 2 years ago and I'm a little gun shy. It's something that I will work through but in the mean time I want to do what I can, mechanically, to help me enjoy the trail. I am trying to keep the weight down and be as low as I can within reason. Outside of the antirock on the front, should I be looking at other adjustments on my LJ? Collectively, you guys have over 100,000 post. I'm open to any of your suggestions.

 

I don't believe the AR or any other connected swaybar is changing the point at which you flop. It is just minimizing weight shift that could put you beyond that point. If this is a real concern of yours don't disconnect.

As far as other things, I think 37s on OEM width axles and OEM wheelbase is bad idea for a lot of reasons. 35s are the biggest I'd run without wider axles at a minimum and probably more wheelbase. Are you really running trails that you need 37s? How about your shocks? You have the Foxes with the dials? What are you setting them on?

 

Thanks for your input. So if I understand you correctly, you believe that the degree of camber I can safely traverse would be the same with the AR as it would just disconnected?

My Jeep is an LJ so my wheelbase is extended but you're right about the stock axle width + spacers. I typically don't run trails where I would need 37's. If I'm being truly honest, I like how it looks with the 37's. There is the occasional obstacle where the 37's help but I'm sure 35's would have been good enough. With the metalcloak fenders I can easily get by with my 3.5 inch lift and still have good shock travel balance without getting to tall. My shocks are set on the 3rd click from the softest.

 

just get a Clinometer you will be fine...:rofl:

 

Nope, that steep angle clearly must be impossible for a TJ... like is being driven over by forum member Lance Kenyon who successfully made that climb. Granted they weren't 35's but...

 

Justify all you want. The typical TJ on here with 35s wont stand a chance.

That jeep has a full stretch , 40s by the looks of it too.

 

To the OP. Seat of the pants feel favors the AR. And most posters have stated that its that "feel" you have to get past. Personally, I think the AR will actually make a difference over no anti sway bar at all.

 

The antirock helps drastically for off-road stability. Night and day difference between disconnects.

 

First time I lifted a tire off the ground I remember being really scared and thinking I was going over backwards. The buddy I was wheeling with showed me the picture and the tire was maybe a foot off the ground:laugh: Get to know your rig, and its capabilities as well as yours and you will start to feel adventurous and brave more and more.

 

First time I lifted a tire off the ground I remember being really scared and thinking I was going over backwards. The buddy I was wheeling with showed me the picture and the tire was maybe a foot off the ground:laugh: Get to know your rig, and its capabilities as well as yours and you will start to fill adventurous and brave more and more.

I agree with you. I was much more comfortable in my JKU just because that was where I had the most experience. The LJ is a different animal but I really like it more than my JK. I just don't have the comfort level with it that I had with the other.

 

Pretty amazing! Just kept on going.
I rarely see anything about ORO's dual rate set up. I think it is a heck of a set up, especially the remote controlled one. It especially comes in handy in these type of situations where you need the full function of the stabilizer right now!

 

Dual rate bars are an interesting setup, but you don't see them as much as you'd expect. I'd guess that is because they aren't cheap and people find that the AR is not as "bad" onroad as they were afraid. Also, there are some of us that will not buy that ORO bar because of their business practices with respect to it.

 

Too bad about the conflict between the parties involved in the development/marketing of the system. I always thought it was a handshake agreement gone badly but I don't know enough about it to be sure.
Clearly, there was no winner. This product should have been a home run, notwithstanding the cost. Instead, it is mostly ignored or unknown. The unit itself has been pretty much flawless and the people I bought it from were good to deal with. In the end, it appears that justice has been served after all.

 

It's hard to do business with folks that aren't honorable.