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Engine Replacement Options and My resolution

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#1 ·
I bought my 2018 Jeep Wrangler Sport S Unlimited with 3.6 V-6 brand new in 2019 with no miles. I have been very happy with the Jeep. I have owned many Jeeps and owned many Chrysler products. I'm in Canada, but I will use miles in this post.

I don't like this engine because I have had random misfires and Cylinder three misfires that started around 68,000 miles, or before the Spark plugs needed replaced. Replacing the plugs, and swapping the coils did not move the misfire to another cylinder. When the valve train ticking started, the dealers I mentioned it to said since I was around 124,000 miles, I would have to pay for any repairs. They also weren't interested in fixing the paint bubbling problem, citing my high mileage disqualifies me. I decided to ride it out, since it didn't use any oil or coolant between changes. I always use full synthetic oil.

A week ago my Jeep shut down on the Highway and I had to get it towed home. It has about 195,000 miles on it. It started blowing oil and coolant out the exhaust a couple of weeks ago, and the coolant had started leaking into the crankcase the day before it died. The cooling system did not leak externally, it maintained pressure after shutdown and overnight.

I looked into getting a kit to put a V-8 in my Jeep, but, I couldn't justify the cost.

I went to the dealer and asked since there was a class action lawsuit in the USA for jeep engines built from 2014 to 2022 because the valve train issues could create catastrophic engine failure, have they replaced any engines for customers as goodwill or otherwise, and they said no. They also said there are no new engines available for me to buy in 2025 for a 2018 Jeep anywhere. There are no four cylinders, and non expected. There are no V-6 engines, but they are supposed to be planning a run of 250 with no promise date.

I have two friends with KIA cars, and they both got engines replaced because there were manufacturing defects.

There were no used 3.6 engines available in the last week.

I found a Jeep Specialist who rebuilds Jeep engines, he says he has one on a shelf. I paid half down and he will start installation next weekend in order to give a one year warranty.

The Jeep specialist laughed when he heard the mileage I had put on, and he said it is not typical for these engines to last as long as mine had. He said the problem is usually one of the odd numbered cylinders will misfire, and the Intake cam on that side will have issues.

I had expected with the eight speed transmission being economical, there would be loads of Jeeps with commuters selling them with high miles.

I went on line, and searched for 2018 and 2019 JL and JLU for sale, and sorted by mileage. There were 181 in Canada, and the highest mileage was 124,000 miles. The rest were clustered around 93,000 miles and less.

Part of the reason I bought the Jeep is it had the highest retained value of all used cars. I had several High mile I-6 4.0 Jeeps and even my minivan went 316,000 miles at which point I drove it to the scrap yard.

I have rebuilt many engines in the past, but, it is difficult for me to get the parts counter to confirm that they can deliver all the parts on my list, and my local dealer has raised their prices compared to other dealers. The cheapest, fastest solution appears to be the one I found in stock aftermarket.

The Jeep Specialist says he is having a hard time getting good engine cores to rebuild. I think it would be useful for people wanting to keep driving their JL, to mention if they know of 3.6 engine, (and 2.0), suppliers, since Jeep isn't stocking new engines. It would be useful to know if other 3.6 V-6 engines, say from a minivan or truck, could be made to work. I also wish I had found a V-8 that would bolt in and had a ECM that played nice with the rest of the Jeep. I seen a Chinese engine supplier of 3.6 engines, but they didn't have a model for the JL. If anyone has made a Chines 3.6 work, or bought a rebuild kit from China, it would be helpful to hear how it worked.
 
#2 ·
those v6 are well known for failing, unfortunately. thats why i said i would never buy another jeep but they slid in that 2.0 and surprised my wife and i.

so now i will never buy another v6 jeep.

but, i cannot help on your quest for another engine. you sure did run that one higher than i have ever heard though, almost 200k is amazing to me on that engine. i knew a guy here who went through the same trouble trying to find a v6 for his wrangler and he finally just traded it for a vehicle that wasn't well known for the engine breaking down. even the dodge guys (charger/challenger/caravan/town and country) have that valve issue and know they are going to need to replace cams and rockers or pay way more money when other stuff gets messed up. my nephew said when he would go to the car shows on the weekends (he had a charger) that it was a common conversation about the tapping and who had what miles before theirs died.

sorry i cannot help
 
#3 ·
3.6 has been issues since 2011. total box of chocolates, you never know what you will get. But today? all OEMS are having issues with QC. Parts to day even OEM are hit and miss. New ones these type parts especially complex ones maybe orphaned in the future.

There is no lawsuit i have seen that is real. Even if it was only the Lawyers make any money and you wont get a replacement block free. might get enough to go and eat. OEM technically is only on the bill under warranty after that they dont have to do anything really. Not even make parts. When these companies dont care they wont spend the money it takes to order say thousands of parts. Not like jeep makes them you know.

Reman 3.6 should have a 3y remans here in the USA are that. They tend to cost about 7k for a long block. labor tends equal parts.

Fact that you drove it to the ground at near 200k on a 3.6 is amazing it went that far BUT at what was you said when that first unresolved miss fire started was the doom loop clock. You have no dog in this fight really. The jeep went far past warranty.

Not sure what you expect here? I would be happy if mine went 100k and its at 40k now and it had ahead done under warranty. back when our 12 was new. 3.6 is not a 4.0 and even 4.0 is not near as good as say a 7.3TD that can go 500K+ 300k common. I dont expect a jeep to last that long really. Not in my hands anyway. Rock might wear it out before miles in the end. Failry sure if my 3.6 goes and i would as well just go till it drops. Would part it out, its not worth much parts in it might fetch more. with d44/d60 4:1 t cases sell well. other stuff on it. Junk the body. Buy a Buggy/jeep built from a Tj or older or tube chassis would best. I stopped DD a jeep back in 80s. would rather drive a truck or car really on the street.

My heep jeep Shyt box rides a trailer to trails or places we go. street it only sees when it is necessary. My truck is a 96 with only 217k on its 7.3 and it just went coast to coast and back loaded down and then full camper and jeep in tow went another 1k miles to go wheeling in Cali. Truck still has like new compression after 29 years and dont use oil. still has the stock Rad.
 
#4 ·
Even if it was only the Lawyers make any money and you wont get a replacement block free
WE WIN!!! Chrysler to pay $62,000,000,000. Lawyers get massive checks, we get 3 free oil changes....

Class actions are nothing more than a cash cow for snakes....
 
#6 ·
WE WIN!!! Chrysler to pay $62,000,000,000. Lawyers get massive checks, we get 3 free oil changes....

Class actions are nothing more than a cash cow for snakes....
3.6 has been issues since 2011. total box of chocolates, you never know what you will get. But today? all OEMS are having issues with QC. Parts to day even OEM are hit and miss. New ones these type parts especially complex ones maybe orphaned in the future.

There is no lawsuit i have seen that is real. Even if it was only the Lawyers make any money and you wont get a replacement block free. might get enough to go and eat. OEM technically is only on the bill under warranty after that they dont have to do anything really. Not even make parts. When these companies dont care they wont spend the money it takes to order say thousands of parts. Not like jeep makes them you know.

Reman 3.6 should have a 3y remans here in the USA are that. They tend to cost about 7k for a long block. labor tends equal parts.

Fact that you drove it to the ground at near 200k on a 3.6 is amazing it went that far BUT at what was you said when that first unresolved miss fire started was the doom loop clock. You have no dog in this fight really. The jeep went far past warranty.

Not sure what you expect here? I would be happy if mine went 100k and its at 40k now and it had ahead done under warranty. back when our 12 was new. 3.6 is not a 4.0 and even 4.0 is not near as good as say a 7.3TD that can go 500K+ 300k common. I dont expect a jeep to last that long really. Not in my hands anyway. Rock might wear it out before miles in the end. Failry sure if my 3.6 goes and i would as well just go till it drops. Would part it out, its not worth much parts in it might fetch more. with d44/d60 4:1 t cases sell well. other stuff on it. Junk the body. Buy a Buggy/jeep built from a Tj or older or tube chassis would best. I stopped DD a jeep back in 80s. would rather drive a truck or car really on the street.

My heep jeep Shyt box rides a trailer to trails or places we go. street it only sees when it is necessary. My truck is a 96 with only 217k on its 7.3 and it just went coast to coast and back loaded down and then full camper and jeep in tow went another 1k miles to go wheeling in Cali. Truck still has like new compression after 29 years and dont use oil. still has the stock Rad.
Thanks for the input. I know two people, one KIA owner and one Hyundai owner, they each had SUV's with Class Action engines that would drop machining filings and swarf into the oil gallery and wipe out the bearings. They both got free new replacement engines installed, and one of them had bought the SUV as a used 5 year old car. If their engines blow up again, they will install another free engine, no questions.
I'm grumpy because I have to cough up almost $10,000CDN with Tax for an engine before it was worn out if built to proper standards. I expected to have the option to buy a new factory engine, or any other parts needed, at least while the vehicle was ten years old or newer. If they are expecting us to dispose of vehicles sooner, the prices should reflect that.

It would be helpful to hear about what it takes to keep the computers that run the rest of the systems working in case someone has to replace the engine with a tesla motor, or crate engine, or ........I thought about putting a 300HP outboard engine in it. <VBG>
 
#7 ·
I was in the Parts store today and the Young dude at the counter has a 2019 unlimited Sport S with V-6. He says his is ticking with 57,000 miles on it and he is planning to trade it in on a Willys before the engine packs it it. He has had enough customers lament about issues that he already has a exit plan.