I will make a prediction that FCA will add some type of delay or do away with it all together.

I was behind someone at a fast food restaurant and it must of stopped and started 15 times.

Very annoying.

 

Should be a button on the dash that has an A with a circle around it that says off.

 

I hate to break this to everyone but, it is required by law starting on all 2018 vehicles in the USA and there will be no way to disable it.

 

Could you let us know the source for this? Looked around and all I could find is that "Beginning in 2018 all Buicks will have this feature". Couldn't find anything that said it was mandated by law on all vehicles.

 

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So my other question is, when the starter fails (not if) is it covered under the powertrain warranty? I mean it should be because if it fails the powertrain cannot function.

You spent $50K and you are worried. So, spend another $1-2000 to protect it with MaxCare warranty and sleep better at night.

 

Sorry in 2018 back up cameras are required. And EPA is changing how the fuel economy credits work for start stop. Guess I mashed the two together in my head.

So if you get rid of the jeep what would you replace it with? A good number of SUVs in that price range have start stop.

I think your dealer is taking you for a ride on the warranty. I paid $2465 for lifetime max care.

 

C'mon, global warming doesn't exist. Don't be a lemming.

 

ugh to ignorance.

According to the owner's manual for a 2016 JGC there is a stop/start disable button immediately to the left of the ECO off button.

ugh to reading comprehension or using Google unless the OP just wanted to b*tch about it.

search ESS disable Grand Cherokee - 5 seconds.
https://www.google.com/search?q=gra...sch&q=grand+cherokee+dashboard+closeup+ess+disable+button&imgrc=RYodEJbHQRaOSM:

http://www.wk2jeeps.com/wk2_2016_press_release_Pentastar.htm

The new VVT system also increases its range of authority to 70 degrees, from 50 degrees. This helps mitigate knock during hot starts and expands the operating envelope of Engine Stop Start (ESS), a fuel-saving feature that is carried over from the previous-generation 3.6-liter Pentastar.

ESS is driven by a high-speed/high-durability starter that reduces crank time for quicker restarts.

 

Is there not a way to disable it? Every other car made with Start/Stop has a button to disable it. Leave it to Jeep to forget such an obvious feature...

 

According to the owner's manual for a 2016 JGC there is a stop/start disable button immediately to the left of the ECO off button.

 

It is obviously not the OP's fault he did not know there was a button he could push to disable stop/start. It is obviously FCA's fault for not explaining this feature was available ... as a button ... right next to all the other buttons you push on a daily basis ... right in front of your face. Makes you wonder why they don't provide some sort of instruction manual so we could look all this stuff up. They could call it an "Instruction Manual for Owners of Jeep Vehicles". Or, maybe shorten it to "Owner's Manual".

Makes you wonder.

 

:surprise:

 

Dealer said to watch the DVD... so we did. NOTHING about the button to disable start/stop.

It's in the manual... I think I'll take several hours and read it cover to cover.. NOT!

I know how to disable it (each time we start the vehicle!). There are several other ways to defeat it (put tranny in neutral, unbuckle yoru seatbelt, etc.)

I want it either comlpetely disabled or fixed, period. I called FCA to log a complaint. I suggested that the stupid software "engineers" (who aren't really engineers no matter what they call themselves) simply:

1. Add a 2 second delay between the stop and when the engine turns off, OR
2. Allow the start/stop button to remain activated after turning off the vehicle (like the ECO and Sport buttons)

Problem solved.

But then again, I'm not that smart.

 

Speaking as an embedded software engineer with 30 years experience in Aerospace and Defense (you may refer to me as "stoopid" if you choose), I'd like you to consider the wonderful things happening in your vehicle currently controlled by computer, like ABS, fuel delivery control, spark timing, etc. Going without processor control means reduced power, poorer fuel economy, etc.

My point is that it's not the software engineers' fault that they implemented features which are largely driven by government regulation. It may or may not be required that all vehicles have Auto Stop/Start in the future, but it is most certainly being incorporated in order to meet CAFE standards.

Myself, I detest Auto Stop/Start, which was part of the reason I bought my '15 Overland as it didn't have it.

But your protest is misdirected. Don't direct your anger towards the engineers, rather towards the Federal Executive Branch which has pushed VERY hard for increased CAFE standards.

Best Regards,

 

I don't have a 2016 but it took me under two minutes to find and search the latest manual on-line. Just wait until the first time he needs gas and hasn't read the part in the manual that explains where the gas cap is, or how to open it. It requires pushing a button, and we know how the OP is dead set against having to push buttons.

 

I've been following his forum for the past 2 years--ever since I took possession of my 2011 GC--and never really felt the need to register and comment. But this item got me.. It's a MAIN topic of discussion on a Cadillac forum I follow, having owned a 2008 DTS. Now I can understand the Caddy people whining. After all they're all old men or fussy Metro men. But a Jeep owner complaining about having to push a button? As someone already mentioned, this little technical device is courtesy of your Liberal government who wants to meddle into every aspect of your life. It's a result of the CAFE requirements. And as long as we're driving petroleum fueled vehicles there will continue to be stop/start features and lord-knows-what-else economizing features. Get use to it.


My Jeep doesn't have the feature but my Mercedes does. Doesn't bother me in the least. I barely know it's working. There's occasionally a slight jiggle when it starts. Not upsetting at all. And if I'm stuck in urban bumper to bumper traffic or going through an area where there's a stop sign at every street corner, I just hit the OFF button. Doesn't make my hairline recede or cause erectile dysfunction. It's really quite painless.....

 

I've been following his forum for the past 2 years--ever since I took possession of my 2011 GC--and never really felt the need to register and comment. But this item got me.. It's a MAIN topic of discussion on a Cadillac forum I follow, having owned a 2008 DTS. Now I can understand the Caddy people whining. After all they're all old men or fussy Metro men. But a Jeep owner complaining about having to push a button? As someone already mentioned, this little technical device is courtesy of your Liberal government who wants to meddle into every aspect of your life. It's a result of the CAFE requirements. And as long as we're driving petroleum fueled vehicles there will continue to be stop/start features and lord-knows-what-else economizing features. Get use to it.

My Jeep doesn't have the feature but my Mercedes does. Doesn't bother me in the least. I barely know it's working. There's occasionally a slight jiggle when it starts. Not upsetting at all. And if I'm stuck in urban bumper to bumper traffic or going through an area where there's a stop sign at every street corner, I just hit the OFF button. Doesn't make my hairline recede or cause erectile dysfunction. It's really quite painless.....

Maybe the Mercedes system was designed better.

 

Glad I bought a 2015, except for the transmission shifter.

 

new 2016 JGC owner here. Sorry, no offense to any software engineers but I have to agree that the Stop/Start feature is annoying, especially in SW FL and the A/C also goes off when sitting at a light.

Is there no way to disable the feature so that a button doesn't have to be pressed every time I start it up?

 

No.

 

I wonder if the next step is going to be to link the stop/start feature to cylinder deactivation so that for the times when the stop/start isn't activated (hot day, a/c on) the cylinder deactivation will be (to keep a/c working and engine cooling system still running).

 

it should just be linked to 'Econ' mode. So the only way to turn it off is by turning off Econ. Simple and easy, and good for all parties involved.

(except the Democrat party )

 

Bringing this up again... is ANYONE having issues with this???

We just had the shifter solonoid recall done. Now, if the ESS engages right as you place the vehicle in park it doesn't want to turn off when the start/stop button is pressed. My wife had to press it 3 times before it would shut off at work this morning.

This happened twice in the garage - we actually got out of the vehicle only to realize that it was still running.

Dealer is opening some kind of case with FCA.

 

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2016 Cherokee User Guide page 59 Item bottom of page
Manually Turn Off the Start/Stop System
"1. Push the STOP/START OFF switch (located on the switch bank). The light on the switch will illuminate." The button has a capital A surrounded by a circle with the word OFF below it.
"4. The STOP/START system will reset itself back to an ON condition every time the ignition is turned off and back on again."
There does not appear to be a terminate disable feature

 

What happens if ??

Was catching up on recent posts and read that the supplemental battery (small battery next to the regular 12v) in the 2016's was added for the ESS. If so, I wonder if by disconnecting that small battery would it totally disable the ESS functionality?

 

Yeah, but I just bought a 2016 and service tells me it can't be disabled. The dealer told me it could. I wouldn't have purchased this car if I had known. I can't tolerate it, and the whole idea behind it.

 

Do what I did...click the link in the post above yours, pay $149, and be done with the ESS system forever....

 

Very easy fix to disable ESS

The ESS system requires multiple inputs and all certain parameters must be met for it to work.
I found a very easy 2 minute fix to disable the system permanently. Disable hood closed signal button.
Raise the hood, at front left is a hood button, 1) squeeze button base at mount plate, pull it upward out of mount plate.
2) Disconnect pigtail plug coming through mount plate to switch, reconnect to switch (not through mount plate) and strap or tuck switch below that area. 3) Close hood and enjoy the ESS no longer!
You will get 2 messages the first couple times you drive at about 20 mph that the Stop/Start system has failed. After the initial messages it no longer gives any warning.
My manual shows that a "hood is open" light should show up in the instrument cluster. But I don't see one and don't see any other adverse effects.
*Remember the hood switch still needs to be connected to the wires but not depressed by hood being closed.

 

The ESS system requires multiple inputs and all certain parameters must be met for it to work.
I found a very easy 2 minute fix to disable the system permanently. Disable hood closed signal button.
Raise the hood, at front left is a hood button, 1) squeeze button base at mount plate, pull it upward out of mount plate.
2) Disconnect pigtail plug coming through mount plate to switch, reconnect to switch (not through mount plate) and strap or tuck switch below that area. 3) Close hood and enjoy the ESS no longer!
You will get 2 messages the first couple times you drive at about 20 mph that the Stop/Start system has failed. After the initial messages it no longer gives any warning.
My manual shows that a "hood is open" light should show up in the instrument cluster. But I don't see one and don't see any other adverse effects.
*Remember the hood switch still needs to be connected to the wires but not depressed by hood being closed.

Now this is interesting.

 

If you're light on the brake, it doesn't shut off....and that's free. You can put enough force on the brake to stop the vehicle, but not shut it off. Problem solved.

 

Why would the light not come on if the button is not depressed?

 

That's a great question. I haven't the foggiest idea there. Logic would dictate that the light would activate if it thought the hood was open.

Also, driving without a seatbelt is not the best idea if you're looking to disable ESS system. you'll get that annoying seatbelt message and tone, or worse a ticket.

 

I'm considering buying a '17 GC, but the stop-start feature is such a fatal flaw that I will not buy one if I can't permanently disable it. This has been a great thread, thanks for all the info.

I found the following video on youtube published by Mopar that says stop-start will not activate if the driver's seatbelt is not buckled.

For some reason the forum will not let me post a link. Search youtube for "2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee | Stop/Start System", see minute-mark 1:50.

Can any verify if this is accurate? Does simply driving without a seatbelt prevent the stop-start feature from activating?

Thank you.

 

I'm considering buying a '17 GC, but the stop-start feature is such a fatal flaw that I will not buy one if I can't permanently disable it. This has been a great thread, thanks for all the info.

I found the following video on youtube published by Mopar that says stop-start will not activate if the driver's seatbelt is not buckled.

For some reason the forum will not let me post a link. Search youtube for "2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee | Stop/Start System", see minute-mark 1:50.

Can any verify if this is accurate? Does simply driving without a seatbelt prevent the stop-start feature from activating?

Thank you.

Yes, but then you get the sealt belt warning going off.

I bought a '16 Summit not knowing you could not disable the ESS without having to push a button every time you started the car, and it was a nightmare for me. If you can afford a '17, click the link in this thread, pay the extra $149 and get the little device that PERMANENTLY disables the ESS without compromising any other feature, function, or safety. Problem SOLVED.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a47j41M3eWo

I put the youtube link in the title of this post. see minute-mark 1:50 about not wearing a seatbelt.

 

Very easy 2 minute fix to disable ESS

Guys, the hood closed switch has no adverse effects when not depressed, other than the Stop/Start system is now disabled. (2017 GC Overland)
My remote start still works fine.
I do not get a open hood light on dash.
All other systems function without fail.
If I find any problems I will promptly update you all.