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I have a 96 Grand Cherokee LTD. The blower fan won't shut off, even if the car is shut off and key is out of ignition. The only way to shut it off is to remove the 40A fuse that is in the fuse block under the engine hood.

I've read that I may need to replace the blower motor resistor or relay, yet I can't find specific instructions on how to identify what and where the resistor is. I've found some talk of removing the glove box, but it was for a different year Grand Cherokee.

Any help is appreciated.
 
Moved to the correct forum.
 
I see no one replied to this post. I'm having the same problem with my '94 Grand Cherokee, but I have a very different resistor block (solid state with a big heatsink on it) and connectors.

Just wondering if changing the resistor block fixed this problem.

Tried to send a message to rickjeep2 but his mailbox is full.

Thanks!
 
I have the same problem. My Jeep is a 93 with automatic A/C controls.
I read that there's no resistor pack then. Is it so ?

*Symptoms are as abowe. blower fan runs even with the key out of ignition and doesn't react to A/C knobs.

any ideas and tips greatly appreciated
 
There should be a resistor pack. Look under the dash on the passenger side. You'll see the blower, and the resistor pack will be mounted to the left (looking forward), up inside the housing. You will only see the plug(s) attached to it. The actual resistor pack is mounted inside the housing so the airflow will cool it. I'm in a bit of a rush right now, but will post some pictures later of mine, as well as some readings I took with an ohm-meter of the good and bad parts.
 
Thanks man !!
So there's a resistor pack even in ( GC Limited) automatic climate control blower.
That's good news, because it simplifies troubleshooting.
I'll look for it tonight after work.

If you have the time, i'd really appreciate a picture :)
 
Here are the pics and a drawing showing what the resistance readings should be. In case the drawing isn't clear, I had to enlarge the alignment hole in the new resistor pack because it wasn't exactly in the same place as the old one. It was off by about 1/4 inch. I did this with a Dremel tool. The plugs were reversed on the new pack, but it didn't cause any problem hooking it up.

Hope this helps! I'm also going to post these pics on another thread about the same topic.
 

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I have swapped the resistor and the blower motor, no joy. I read that there is a recall on the ATC control module. The serial number on the replacment part must be 0109293 or higher. I have not checked mine yet. The only way I can get the blower motor to turn off is when my vehicle is off and I remove the 40A fuse in the engine compartment. I'm going to check grounds tomorrow and continue surfing until I can find a solution.
 
Here are the pics and a drawing showing what the resistance readings should be. In case the drawing isn't clear, I had to enlarge the alignment hole in the new resistor pack because it wasn't exactly in the same place as the old one. It was off by about 1/4 inch. I did this with a Dremel tool. The plugs were reversed on the new pack, but it didn't cause any problem hooking it up.

Hope this helps! I'm also going to post these pics on another thread about the same topic.
I have a -95 Grand Cherokee ZJ in Sweden.
The fan went on and did not shut off even if I took the key out.
Thankfully I found my way here =)

My resistance measurements are:
1+2 = 0 Mohm
1+3 = 3,226 Mohm
1+4 = 3,218 Mohm

So I have ordered a new resistor.

Thank you!!
 
I have a -95 Grand Cherokee ZJ in Sweden.
The fan went on and did not shut off even if I took the key out.
Thankfully I found my way here =)

My resistance measurements are:
1+2 = 0 Mohm
1+3 = 3,226 Mohm
1+4 = 3,218 Mohm

So I have ordered a new resistor.

Thank you!!
You are very welcome! Glad to be of help. Looking at your resistance measurements (very close to mine), the replacement should take care of the problem. Mine is still working fine (although I sold it to a friend a little over a year ago).
 
Solved =)

Yes - it was the resistor!
My new resistor from eBay had following resistans in cold weather (+5 celcius):

1+2 - 14,45 Mohm
1+3 - 38,60 Mohm
1+4 - 38,22 Mohm

In the same cold weather the old measured:
0,0
20
20

Guess its big difference if measeured cold or warm.
I also use flatended contacts on my multimeter to ensure good contact!
Thak you ever so much!!
 
Not a resistor pack

Here are the pics and a drawing showing what the resistance readings should be. In case the drawing isn't clear, I had to enlarge the alignment hole in the new resistor pack because it wasn't exactly in the same place as the old one. It was off by about 1/4 inch. I did this with a Dremel tool. The plugs were reversed on the new pack, but it didn't cause any problem hooking it up.

Hope this helps! I'm also going to post these pics on another thread about the same topic.
What is the link to that other thread?

NOT a resistor pack. I think there is some confusion about what is pictured. I had the same failure on my wife's 1996 Grand Cherokee a couple of years back. Here is what I learned from the Service Manual and my local Jeep parts department...

Two different parts exist that fit in the same heater housing socket.

1. Grand Cherokee with ATC (Automatic Temperature Control) has the device pictured with two plug wells. It is not a resistor pack, but is in fact a power transistor (1996 and prior), known in the Jeep GC 1996 Service Manual as the Blower Motor Power Module. The power transistor responds to the ATC to create varying output, giving infinitely variable speed control. The power transistor generates heat, although nothing like a resistor pack, and the big aluminum heat sink protrudes into the air stream cooling it. At full blower speed maximum heat is generated, so when HIGH is selected there is a relay wired in parallel with the power transistor that closes to deliver full battery voltage to the blower mostly bypassing the power transistor thus keeping it cool.

Non-ATC vehicles have a true resistor pack, if I remember correctly, the parts counter man said these have only one plug well instead of two.

2. Three things can kill the blower speed control power transistor. In our car, which is parked outside:

A) Mice built a nest over the heat sink preventing it from being cooled by the passing air stream. Any buildup of debris covering the heat sink will lead to overheating of the part and eventual failure.
B) The High Speed Relay contacts become tarnished and non-conductive or the relay fails, causing all the blower current to pass through the power transistor stressing it.
C) The back of the power transistor's heat sink was coated at the factory with a thermal conductive paste, the same sort of product applied to computer CPU chips to allow them to shed heat. The thermal conductive paste degrades or dissolves over time, causing the power transistor to get hot as it can shed heat efficiently to the aluminum heat sink.

In my wife's 1996 GC, I suspect all three faults were in play. After pulling the fuse to get the fan to stop, on removing the power transistor plate from the heater housing, a mountain of leaf litter, maple seeds, mouse poop, grass, etc. came spilling out. Our power transistor's heat sink was completely buried. After buying a replacement factory speed controller, my Jeep parts guy cautioned me about the HIGH speed relay failing or having resistance, leading to the failure of the speed controller; on checking ours, it was tarnished and had 2-3 ohms across the contacts. When I did a postmortem on the old blower speed controller, there was little of the thermal conductive compound left between the big black encase Delco power transistor chip and the aluminum heat sink. At the time I assumed car wash soapy water had been repeatedly been drawn into the heater passage and had partially washed away the thermal compound.

If your speed controller is still good, it might be a good idea to pull it to clean away any debris, then check to make sure there is a thick coating of thermal compound remaining. Arctic Silver (on Amazon) is a good product to re-coat the heat sink/chip if needed.
 
My 97 ZJ Limited /w ATC turns the blower on when car is off - and blower off, when car is on!
Changed PCM - no change
Changed this module, that I thought were the named the ATC module, now I can read it's properly called Blower Motor Power Module - it's taken from a working car, and it still blows opposite of what it's supposed to do! :(
 

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This happened to me for a long time, but only when it rained. It was due to water leaking past the window seal and running down behind the fuse box and causing all sorts of havoc. Also made a lot of clicking noises back there.
 
1997 Jeep GC with ATC runaway blower

My 97 ZJ Limited /w ATC turns the blower on when car is off - and blower off, when car is on!
Changed PCM - no change
Changed this module, that I thought were the named the ATC module, now I can read it's properly called Blower Motor Power Module - it's taken from a working car, and it still blows opposite of what it's supposed to do! :(
When the blower runs, is it on HIGH or a lower speed?

I don't have the Jeep factory service manual for model year 1997, but I think much of the design is similar on 1996. That said, your Blower Motor Power Module is completely different from 1996, so who knows.

Have you tried running the ATC's self diagnostic tests? These tests are described in detail in the factory service manual. If you don't have the manual in hardcopy (out of print from Jeep), you can get it on DVD-ROM from Bishko Automotive or on eBay in digital or hardcopy format.

Don't forget the blower high speed relay also can turn the blower on and off, but only on HIGH speed.
 
When the blower runs, is it on HIGH or a lower speed?

I don't have the Jeep factory service manual for model year 1997, but I think much of the design is similar on 1996. That said, your Blower Motor Power Module is completely different from 1996, so who knows.

Have you tried running the ATC's self diagnostic tests? These tests are described in detail in the factory service manual. If you don't have the manual in hardcopy (out of print from Jeep), you can get it on DVD-ROM from Bishko Automotive or on eBay in digital or hardcopy format.

Don't forget the blower high speed relay also can turn the blower on and off, but only on HIGH speed.
I have the service manual for the 1997 I also have the DRB III servicetool - DRB III can't see the ATC module for some strange reason!

Blower runs FULL power when the car is off.

Blower high speed relay I read that too - but where the h... is it located???

The ATC module (knobs and display thing) controls heat and blend doors fine. It just doesn't control the BMPM or blower for that matter. Shows Err for a few seconds after start. Self diagnostics shows fault codes no. 16 27 40 48 and service tool shows none of that.
 

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Blower High Speed Relay

I have the service manual for the 1997 I also have the DRB III servicetool - DRB III can't see the ATC module for some strange reason!

Blower runs FULL power when the car is off.

Blower high speed relay I read that too - but where the h... is it located???

The ATC module (knobs and display thing) controls heat and blend doors fine. It just doesn't control the BMPM or blower for that matter. Shows Err for a few seconds after start. Self diagnostics shows fault codes no. 16 27 40 48 and service tool shows none of that.
On my wife's 1996 Grand Cherokee the Blower High Speed Relay is above the passenger foot-well. It is a cube, about 1" x 1" x 1" in size and is installed base pointing up. But as I mentioned earlier, there are differences between 1996 and 1997.

Let me just throw a couple ideas at you...

It is possible the Blower Motor Power Module you found is bad. I think Car Quest and others make an aftermarket version (not Delco) that looks different, but works. You might try one because the fault you are describing still sounds just like a bad Blower Motor Power Module.

The other is the ATC on our 1996 GC caused a problem where the A/C system went nuts. The ATC was a $500 dealer part so I kept looking for a way to repair it, an eBay guy would fix it as I remember for $100 or so. Then I came across someones blog entry about the solder joints on the back of the ATC crystallizing and not conducting properly. The blog contributor's fix was simply to clean all the solder joints, then remelt the solder. The fix worked like a dream, no doubt the same procedure the $100 eBay guy was doing.

I am sorry I don't have a record or URL of that fix. There was another Jeep blog called JeepsUnlimited.com that had good info that went dark a year or two ago, taking with it a mountain of Jeep repair wisdom. I had made a number of contributions to that site now gone forever.
 
On my wife's 1996 Grand Cherokee the Blower High Speed Relay is above the passenger foot-well. It is a cube, about 1" x 1" x 1" in...

I am sorry I don't have a record or URL of that fix. There was another Jeep blog called JeepsUnlimited.com that had good info that went dark a year or two ago, taking with it a mountain of Jeep repair wisdom. I had made a number of contributions to that site now gone forever.
Module ran perfect before pulling it last week, it is good.

The ATC panel SEEMS to be somewhat sealed in its metal casing. Perhaps it can be pried open. Doesn't look like it's serviceable, so the repair manual says. I did resolder VIC and Light switches with perfect result.
Have another one laying around though. Will try that in later on today.

Strangely when I do a lookup of my VIN or a 98 ATC, the module doesn't look like mine.

moparpartsgiant.com/Page_Product/PartDetail.aspx?Vin=1J4GZ78Y6VC748548&Make=Jeep&Model=Grand+Cherokee&Year=1997&Submodel=&Filter=()&SubCategoryUrl=air-conditioning-heater-a-c-unit&Diagram=00i10976&PartNumbers=
 
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