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Discussion starter · #1 ·
Hello there,

2012 CRD limited, regular cruise control.
I push the button and nothing happens, no matter at what speed. no light on dash or any other response.
I replaced the buttons on the steering wheel and still, no response.

Checked at the dealers today, no DTC.

Only thing is front parking sensors are disconnected and so the parking assistance is disabled.

What else should i check?


Thank you
Elad.
 
Parking sensors is a don't care. Are your brake lights stuck on?

The SCM reads the speed control switch and relays the status to the PCM. A faulty SCM may not be reading the switches. Or the cable harness between the switch pods and SCM may be faulty. The SCM is at the base of the steering wheel and contains the so called clock spring, wiper switches, etc.. Diagnosing if the cruise control switch signals are getting out on the network requires the dealer test set.

If the ECM/PCM detects a fault on one of the following systems, it will disable the cruise control system. The ECM/PCM will also store an appropriate DTC, however.

•Engine Speed Sensor
•Sensor or actuators of the electric throttle (only for gasoline engines)
•Accelerator Pedal Potentiometer (APP Sensor)
•Brake Pedal Position
•Clutch Switch rationality
•Fuel Injectors
•High pressure system components (only for GDI and Diesel engines)
•Turbo sensors or actuators.


If you want to double check the cruise control switch operation, when no buttons are pressed pins 13-14 will read about 20708 ohms, pins 14-15 20591 ohms. When the ON/OFF switch is pressed pins 13-14 should measure about 464 ohms, pins 14-15 133 ohms.
 
Discussion starter · #3 ·
Thank you,
No DTC exists but the parking sensors.
I did check the old cruise control switch and it seems to be good.

there is no other error or problem, no brake lights stuck or anything like that.
 
Hello there,

2012 CRD limited, regular cruise control.
I push the button and nothing happens, no matter at what speed. no light on dash or any other response.
I replaced the buttons on the steering wheel and still, no response.

Checked at the dealers today, no DTC.

Only thing is front parking sensors are disconnected and so the parking assistance is disabled.

What else should i check?

Thank you
Elad.
Hi Elad,

If you decide to revisit your local dealership I'd be happy to follow up with them for you if needed. Just PM our page with your VIN and let me know!

Andrea
Jeep Social Care Specialist
 
If there are no fault codes or service notifications in the EVIC, and the switch is working Ok, then it could the wire harness, loose connector, or clock spring. But thats just a guess. I think someone was having a similar problem years ago, I'll have to try to find the thread. It was a discussion about the symptoms a partially broken clock spring could have.

This is an export vehicle, right?
 
I had a cruise control issue on my Jeep. Had it to the dealer twice, they replaced a a couple modules. Didn't fix it. I got frustrated and just started trying stuff myself. I disconnected the battery, reconnected it 5 min later.....cruise worked perfectly ever since. Dealer totally overlooked the obvious....
 
Discussion starter · #8 ·
Yes this is export..
It came out of the factory with front parking sensors, but previous owner had accident and changed bumper - the new one does not have sensors on it, and i have a message that i need to service park assist. system, could it be related? Disconnected battery twice when replacing the switch, didn't do anything.
It just doesn't come on at all... and no mil codes or anything.
 
Discussion starter · #10 ·
I did find out that the first owner had an accident and airbag was opened - could that have anything to do with my problem?
BTW - got myself a witech device and now can read all DTC's..
 
The FSM says that if the airbag is deployed, the clockspring and the steering column must be replaced. Do you know if that was done?

Otherwise perhaps the clock spring or wire harness was damaged when the airbag deployed and was replaced. I hear these can be easily damaged when disconnecting the connector from the airbag. The clock spring is a spool of wire that carries the switch signals to the vehicle as the steering wheel turns. Its integral to the $$$ Steering Column Control Module.

Do you know if the cruise buttons worked before the accident? Perhaps a defective column was installed and the cruise buttons were not checked....

I dunno, just throwing ideas out.
 
Discussion starter · #12 ·
I have no idea if the clockspring had been replaced, but all the rest of the buttons on steering wheel work good.
i got new cruise control buttons but no change.

Maybe i should just order new clockspring and then take apart the steering wheel..
 
The module is about $300 US at discount.
 
Discussion starter · #15 ·
Hi Elad,

If you decide to revisit your local dealership I'd be happy to follow up with them for you if needed. Just PM our page with your VIN and let me know!

Andrea
Jeep Social Care Specialist
Thank you!
But i don't have enough messeges here to send PM..
Is there a way you can help without the dealer getting involved?

Thank you
Elad.
 
Thank you!
But i don't have enough messeges here to send PM..
Is there a way you can help without the dealer getting involved?

Thank you
Elad.
Hi Elad,

Unfortunately I don't have a technical background so I'm not able to assist in that regard. If you decide to visit your local dealership feel free to let me know!

Andrea
Jeep Social Care Specialist
 
Speed control is built into the PCM, its not a separate module. Adaptive Cruise control is M15, along with Power Seat Module(s)/Audio Telematics/Daytime Running Lights Relay/Air Suspension Module/Instrument Cluster

The vehicle operator controls all conventional speed control system features through the speed control switch pod on the face of the right horizontal spoke of the steering wheel. When a push button of the switch pod is depressed, it provides a hard wired resistor multiplexed analog input to the Steering Control Module (SCM).

The SCM reads the speed control switch input via LIN, then relays an electronic speed control switch status message to the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) over the Controller Area Network (CAN) C data bus. The PCM software continually monitors these inputs as well as electronic vehicle distance message inputs from the Antilock Brake Module (ABM) (also known as the Controller Antilock Brake/CAB, the Electronic Stability Control/ESC module or the Antilock Brake System/ABS module) and numerous hard wired inputs including the brake (or stop) lamp switch, then provides the appropriate electronic message and hard wired outputs to invoke the requested electronic speed control features.

The PCM microprocessor continuously monitors all of the speed control system electrical circuits to determine the system readiness. If the PCM detects a monitored system fault, it sets and stores a Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC). The PCM uses On-Board Diagnostics (OBD) and can communicate with other electronic modules in the vehicle as well as with the diagnostic scan tool using the CAN data bus. This method of communication is used for control of the Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) (also known as the Check Engine lamp) in the ElectroMechanical Instrument Cluster (EMIC) (also known as the Cab Compartment Node/CCN) and for system diagnosis and testing through the 16-way data link connector located on the driver side lower edge of the instrument panel.

If the ECM/PCM detects a fault on one of the following systems, it will disable the cruise control system. The ECM/PCM will store an appropriate DTC.

•Engine Speed Sensor
•Sensor or actuators of the electric throttle (only for gasoline engines)
•Accelerator Pedal Potentiometer (APP Sensor)
•Brake Pedal Position
•Clutch Switch rationality
•Engine Load sensor (only for gasoline engines)
•Ignition Coils (only for gasoline engines)
•Fuel Injectors
•High pressure system components (only for GDI and Diesel engines)
•Turbo sensors or actuators.

If you have adaptive cruise, the front sensor (ACC) can also cause an inop cruise control.
 
Discussion starter · #19 ·
So...
still not working, but i got a hold of a WITECH computer (without an account..), it seems like the computer knows when i press the buttons on steering wheel, so i guess the loom and clockspring are ok..
 
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