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Why are our radiators different??

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Friend of mine had what we believe was a failed coolant temperature sensor that led to a catastrophic situation. Coolant was shooting out of the overflow in the surge tank, as well as both sides of the radiator. From my understanding, one side of the radiator has an emergency blowoff valve to prevent the system from detonating. Well… that didn’t stop the other side from failing under the pressure.

Before I get to my main question, I have a side question. Do you guys think that temp sensor was bad and therefor didn’t tell the fans to kick on, thus leading to the system overheating?

Ok, now to the main event. They want to order a new radiator from RockAuto, but I said let me check my radiator first to make sure it looks the same. Turns out it DOESN’T!

Here is a part of my radiator which I think shows a coolant line. Mine is a 2003 Laredo, nothing special


Now, here is there’s. Nothing is there, just a rubber plug. They have a 2004 Laredo with the Trail Rated package.

Why would the radiators be different from 2003 to 2004?? They’re basically afraid to make the order right now and risking getting the wrong one. Any help would be appreciated!
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Look like a rad with the integrated trans cooler connected in the first pic and the trans cooler capped in the second.
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does one have a tow package with an outboard trans cooler
Isn’t that rubber plug protecting the threads on the fitting?
No tow package on either vehicle.

Why would it be capped on the 2004 but not on the 2003? Why does the 2003 have a line going to it, but the 2004 doesn’t? I’m totally stumped here.
The pressure is the same throughout your cooling system. There is no blow off valve on one side of the radiator and not on the other. The cap is the pressure release regardless of being a closed loop with a pressurized reservoir or open loop system with an over flow bottle. Assuming that it is your Coolant temp sensor is bad diagnostics. Was it low on coolant prior to overheating? Does it have a leak somewhere? The fan relays and fan itself are more likely to fail than the CTS. Are the radiator fins clogged with fuzzies? Tis the season. There are many things that can cause an overheat.

It sounds like you overheated it pretty bad. That can have long term effects.
you may want to consider getting a separate transmission fluid cooler and not use the trans cooler part of the radiator. The integral rad + trans cooler have been know to leak, doing real damage to trans and engine. What a stupid design IMHO. Sure, the percentage of failures is low but why take the risk?
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The 2004 radiator is different and the trans cooler goes to the AC condenser. When buying a replacement for a 2004 the trans cooler fittings remain capped.
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The pressure is the same throughout your cooling system. There is no blow off valve on one side of the radiator and not on the other. The cap is the pressure release regardless of being a closed loop with a pressurized reservoir or open loop system with an over flow bottle. Assuming that it is your Coolant temp sensor is bad diagnostics. Was it low on coolant prior to overheating? Does it have a leak somewhere? The fan relays and fan itself are more likely to fail than the CTS. Are the radiator fins clogged with fuzzies? Tis the season. There are many things that can cause an overheat.

It sounds like you overheated it pretty bad. That can have long term effects.
Never said that I thought the system had different pressure in different areas. By blowoff valve on one side of the radiator, I was assuming and referring to the cap.

Regarding my “bad diagnostics”, a mechanic friend said that he’s had more than a few vehicles come in overheating because the temp sensor is bad, the vehicle doesn’t know it’s overheating and thus does not turn the fans on. Said he had a WJ doing exactly that a year or two ago. Literally the same type of vehicle.

Buddy said there were no leaks or overheating issues, but they recently bought it and were trying to figure out why it occasionally stalls out and has starting issues. Were running down the list thinking plugs, injectors, etc when the temp sensor came up again from the mechanic mutual friend who said those also sometimes can cause issues like that because, and this is a direct quote from their text:

“Temp sensors have direct input on how much fuel to inject; like starting in winter vs summer will require different amount of fuel. Sometimes they short out and it doesn't know what to do for the amount of fuel or sometimes mass air flow sensors get ****ed up. Most of the times these will send a code. To eliminate coolant temp and mass airflow, you could unplug each one at a time and try starting in. It will run with default settings.”

So that’s two issues where the temp sensor is near the top for possible cause, indicating a high probability that’s what it is.

There is no debris clogging the fins.

And I did not overheat the vehicle, it’s a friend’s WJ. They said they ran it for 10 mins while popping laundry in on a cool morning last week and came out the door to see coolant raining down.
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Your radiators aren't different. They both have a transmission cooling port. The port just isn't connected to anything on his. For most applications, the aftermarket only makes one of each radiator size, and includes a transmission cooler in all of them. It saves them money in the long run, as they only have to make and stock one part instead of two. So even if you have a vehicle with a manual transmission, the replacement radiator is likely to have an auto trans cooler in it. It just won't be used.

You'll need a live data scanner and some troubleshooting to determine the exact cause of overheating. Watch what the computer thinks the engine temp is and see if it tells the fans to turn on. The most often reported failure on WJ's is the fan relay. It gets the signal to turn on the fans but doesn't do it's job. :(
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BooJo and 3 Jeeps are right. One WJ has the trans cooler, one does not.
There is no pressure relief device other then the cap.
Juat get the radiator specified for that WJ and if it comes with the integrated cooler fitting, no problem, don't do anything with it. It was a bad design anyway.
Harry is also right about the relay on the 4.0L. It is a known fail point.

The radiators in the WJ are only good for about 7 years of normal use. If the radiator in your friend's WJ was older or the original, they were on borrowed time anyway and you should think about swappping yours. Those plastic end caps should convince anyone of that lifespan being serious.
This scenario is very common across all vehicle brands. The radiator gets old, gets a pin hole, loses a little coolant, owner doesn't notice until it over heats. Then he thinks there is something wrong with the vehicle and checks a lot of unnecessary things. I would just put a new radiator in it and fill it with coolant and run it in the driveway or a quick 1 mile ride. It will either start to overheat or the fan will come on as normal.
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BooJo and 3 Jeeps are right. One WJ has the trans cooler, one does not.
There is no pressure relief device other then the cap.
Juat get the radiator specified for that WJ and if it comes with the integrated cooler fitting, no problem, don't do anything with it. It was a bad design anyway.
Harry is also right about the relay on the 4.0L. It is a known fail point.

The radiators in the WJ are only good for about 7 years of normal use. If the radiator in your friend's WJ was older or the original, they were on borrowed time anyway and you should think about swappping yours. Those plastic end caps should convince anyone of that lifespan being serious.
So I guess where we are at is… my WJ has the transmission line going to the radiator for cooling, while theirs has a different cooling method for their transmission? Is that a “Trail Rated” thing?
And solid heads up on the relays and the radiators failing after X amount of time. I have had a million relays go, just not for the fans yet. As far as the radiator, mine is 20 years old. But yeah, probably should replace as a preventative.
Another addition: I just checked my second WJ, another nothing special Laredo, in fact even less special because this one is a 2WD (I know I know..), and it also has a line connected at that spot. So, out of 3 WJ’s, the only one with that rubber plug there is the Trail Rated.
Where does the line in the first photo go? Whats the other end connected to?
So I guess where we are at is… my WJ has the transmission line going to the radiator for cooling, while theirs has a different cooling method for their transmission? Is that a “Trail Rated” thing?
Not sure if it's just a 2004 thing, or a Trail Rated thing, because I own a 2004 that is also Trail Rated.
My 99 Limited has a tow package, uses the internal radiator trans cooler AND has an external cooler AND a external power steering cooler.

I've seen AC condensers that had a trans cooler built into them at the wrecking yard before on WJ's.

Lots of small differences between options.

Same radiator tho.
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Ok so I just got more information from my friend. They said their temperature gauge on the dash was acting up, not reading any temps at times even though they had been driving for awhile and it was definitely hot. Is the gauge being messed up an indicator of the temp sensor?

I had a similar gauge issue like this with the oil pressure sensor.
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