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Amazing developments in Ukraine the last few days because of advanced weapons we gave them, such as HIMARS.

Totally blown away the myth of the Red Army, two-thirds of which was committed to their invasion of Ukraine.

And they were decisively defeated by an untrained army that was on the ropes, because we gave a partial sampling of our weapons.

Now that the Red Army has been decisively defeated, they have to call up 300,000 reservists to defend their country, otherwise they could be conquered by tiny Ukraine.

Putin's decision to call up reservists reveals that he can't use nukes to defend Russia. You know the guy is bluffing when he says it's not a bluff.

Destroying an enemy army with advanced weapons is easy. Nation-building is hard. This reminds us of how stupid it was to try to make the Afghanis just like us, when they don't want to be just like us.
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The official leftist narrative is that it makes no sense that Russia would do it, and that's exactly why Russia did do it.

Brandons team and deep state evaluated very well and precisely that there IS NOT a sufficient supply chain. And that is the point. To withdraw industry and funds
from the EU,move that industry to the USA (for those who do not know about it - the proposals and offers are widely available) to weaken the Euro currency,
let the EU bleed in the war fields of UA and be flooded with refugees and economical immigrants from the Middle east and Africa, because these are very smart
in misusing the very generous and liberal social and welfare system of the EU - so basicaly send Europe several decades to the past. Al that in order to
save the US dollar and collapsing US economy. And this is nothing new. It started several years ago with the oil trade and petrodollar. And the ambitions of
some countries to sell their oil for other currency. Be it Lybia, Iraq, Syria....we all know what happened. Now the Saudis are selling their oil to China and trade
in yuan. But learned from the past they found a friend with nukes to protect them from the fate of Lybia

If the goal of those in power in the US is to destroy Europe by destroying the Euro and flooding its nations with refugees, why in the hell are they doing that here? Brandon and the Democrats are dead set on destroying the US dollar and have flooded this country with MILLIONS of immigrants from all over the world.

I could buy into the idea that the globalists decided we must crush middle classes globally, but this is not a case of the US doing it to Europe because then it would make no sense to do it to ourselves.

I don't agree with your assessment of the relationship between western Europe and the US. Brandon is a puppet. Europe has lead the world in progressive and socialist ideologies for generations. We are only catching up.

A vast amount of extremely wealthy, powerful businesses in the US are European. Many formerly American businesses have been bought out by Europeans, particularly Germans. Our governments on any level do not function independently of European demands for this very reason. Our government is run by wealthy corporations, wealthy people, and the politicians they are sold out to. The idea that this is American business pitted against European is not reasonable.

I don't believe that the US, Western Europe, or Ukraine do anything in this war without consulting each other. I don't buy that the US would do this without the concurrence of Germany if not at the behest of.

The leadership of this world is incredibly callous as we've seen over the last 2.5 years. Leadership and globalists have an immense hatred for the people. I find it very likely that Germany would do this to its own people. And now just as it is getting colder, they don't have to take the blame for sanctioning Russian gas. It gets them what they want, and they don't have to pay for it politically.

And besides, who better to start WWIII than the people who started the first 2? Oh, that's right, it's only the US who has to answer for their past, certainly not Germany. They're totally reformed, including the Communists from 35 years ago.

Also, why is it out of the question that Ukraine did this to force the rest of Europe to put up? And by "put up" I mean demand that the US fight their wars for them, as usual.

I find it very likely that the US was involved in this, but not independent of much of Europe, which appears to be what you're describing.
 

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....The leadership of this world is incredibly callous as we've seen over the last 2.5 years. Leadership and globalists have an immense hatred for the people. I find it very likely that Germany would do this to its own people. And now just as it is getting colder, they don't have to take the blame for sanctioning Russian gas. It gets them what they want, and they don't have to pay for it politically.
......I find it very likely that the US was involved in this, but not independent of much of Europe, which appears to be what you're describing.
NO. You got me wrong a bit. This 2 above describe it as its finest. I do not blame the US as a nation, nor do i any of the EU countries.
Agree that Brandon is a puppet.So are our leaders here. Once upon a time one man said "Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who
makes its laws! " And that is the problem of the western world. No matter which country or side of the ocean.
 

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I'm not too worried. Putin has spent literally the last 20 years plotting and planning. This was the best he could do after all that preparation. He got decisively defeated and humiliated by tiny Ukraine, because we snuck in a few weapons to them on the fly.
 

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I'm not too worried. Putin has spent literally the last 20 years plotting and planning. This was the best he could do after all that preparation. He got decisively defeated and humiliated by tiny Ukraine, because we snuck in a few weapons to them on the fly.
You are not too worried because you are thousands miles away. That makes also your view quite distorted. I have it right on the backyard. And i am worried.
And he got anything other than defeated. Thats a wet dream of some. But i strongly doubt. At least in the eyes of his nation. the mood there is truly opposite.
Fact is that Putin did not expect so massive support from the western world. Both in financial and material way.Other fact is that he strongly underestimated the UA forces.In numbers and fierce. The other fact ist that he realised that. And that is what i am afraid of. Except of a few smart missiles RU forces used only conventional
old school weapons so far. Now they are moving over a much modern stuff. Seen some of these in person. In i am afraid they will start to use it. Not talking about
nukes. I hope he is not so dumb.
Plus if you look closely at the situation on the front, then you will see that UA centered almost all their forces on 2 points. Kharkov (Liman/Svatovo) and
Mikolaiv(Cherson). All other parts of the fornt are shaved of the UA forces. There are places like Peski or similiar wchich are now taken under control by Donetsk
(now Russian) forces almost without casualties. Because UA army withdrew from these places. Similar situation is along RU-UA and UA -BY borders.
UA plays vabank. And only time will tell.

And about the "few weapons" - that will be a huge problem in the future. A lot of small arms spread uncontrolled all over Europe. UA guys trade with it recklessly.
If you want you can buy an AK for 150, AR15 for 200, javelin for 5000.... You want a BTR or even a french Caesar 155mm howitzer? Its just a matter of $$$
 

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And that is what i am afraid of. Except of a few smart missiles RU forces used only conventional
old school weapons so far. Now they are moving over a much modern stuff. Seen some of these in person. In i am afraid they will start to use it.
I have no way of knowing but my gut and some limited … ‘sources’ … seem to indicate you are correct.
However, my impression from the beginning is that something fishy is going on - I don’t think Putin underestimated anything. He just under-attacked, perhaps on purpose? Who knows. But something fishy is going on when an American president runs around waving his arms about his head yelling, “The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!” and then they gear up Ukraine and weeks later Putin attacks.
Does that come even close to sounding like a calculated attack? An attack intended to bring victory?
That’s a charade, imho. Something fishy is going on, more than meets the eye.
 

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You are not too worried because you are thousands miles away. I have it right on the backyard. And i am worried.

And about the "few weapons" - that will be a huge problem in the future. A lot of small arms spread uncontrolled all over Europe. UA guys trade with it recklessly.

Appeasement
 

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Pretty amazing turn of events. With the loss of the rail line across the Crimea, Russia no longer has secure supply lines to the Crimea. Their only remaining supply lines all run within range of Ukrainian ARTY.

The newsies are saying Russia is preparing to evacuate Kherson, which means their position in Crimea is also untenable.
 

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Pretty amazing turn of events. With the loss of the rail line across the Crimea, Russia no longer has secure supply lines to the Crimea. Their only remaining supply lines all run within range of Ukrainian ARTY.
Nope. Rail line thru the crimea bridge was repaired within 48h after the blast. Other railroad runs thru Luhansk and Donetsk territories from Rostov-na-Donu thru Melitopol, Dzhankoj to Simferopol in Crimea. Both out of range of the UA arty.

The newsies are saying Russia is preparing to evacuate Kherson, which means their position in Crimea is also untenable.
They are already evacuating some parts of the Kherson territory. But only civilian people on a volunteer basis. Because of UA arty shelling living areas as a revenge
for the referendum.For example Nova Khakhovka Who wants to leave can do so. Will receive accomodation, food, work...and if he wishes so can remain permanently
on a new place. But who wants to stay, can stay.

Edit: latest news was that the UA shelled Antonovsky bridge in Kherson using 12 Himars missiles with casette ammo. 4 people dead, 10 injured, incl children. Among the vitcims are 2 journalists. Bridge was used for evacuation of civil people. There is a concern that UA will attack the Khakhovska hydro energy plant possibly leaving the city of Kherson without electricity and heat. So far approx 15 thousand people evacuated from the right bank od the Dnepr river.


It has nothing to do with RU position in Crimea. I highly doubt Russia will leave Crimean peninsula for any reason. Maybe with an exception of a nuke blast.
Crimea has the same strategical meaning for Russia as for example Hawaii islands for the USA. The one and only secure and deep port in that part of the Black
sea is Sevastopol. And that is also a home port of the RU Black sea fleet.
 

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Sorry but thats a pure bullsh..t !
Same as the nord stream pipeline. Why would you blow up your own pipeline when you can just shut off the valve? Give me a reason.
Plus the crimea bridge. If UA officials in their heroic vomiting did not say that they are responsible for that, US/EU would blame RU.
But beacuse Zelensky allready said that credits go to UA, they could not. So UA got instructions how to inform western media.
But seriously - why would you blow up the dam in the region, which was just recently added to your territory?

If anybody here speaks russian, watch this man. He is an ukrainian journalist from Sumy territory in the UA (Sumskaya oblast) but
now living in Sevastopol, Crimea because UA regime put him on the sentenced to death list for telling the truth.
 

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We know that Ukraine's leader is bad, but that doesn't change the rationale for containment.

We can't allow Putin to attack his neighbors just because he has nukes. Nuclear non-proliferation is not the only justification for containment.

Putin is getting his A55 handed to him, just because we gave a few of our weapons to the Ukrainians. Can you imagine how humiliating this must be for Putin. He's been plotting this for 20 years, and he's a total failure, bested by incompetent Brandon.
 

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We know that Ukraine's leader is bad, but that doesn't change the rationale for containment.
Hm... bad, good... UA leader is just a puppet. An useful idiot. Present UA govmt. was installed by USA, with the help of GB and EU. Since 2014. So it has nothing to do with rationale. because "his" the decisions come from elsewhere.

We can't allow Putin to attack his neighbors just because he has nukes. Nuclear non-proliferation is not the only justification for containment.
Putin is getting his A55 handed to him, just because we gave a few of our weapons to the Ukrainians. Can you imagine how humiliating this must be for Putin. He's been plotting this for 20 years, and he's a total failure, bested by incompetent Brandon.
This is totally wrong. But i understand that because your viewing angle is strongly distorted by the media serving you the same meal for decades. Plus the
common narrative of the western media thar Putin woke up one morning in February 2022 and decided that it is a good idea to invade UA. Nothing before.
As a first, he has not been plotting nothing for 20 years. There was no such thing. After the fall of the USSR Ukraine was the richest among all these
countries, with GDP close to Germany. Where are they now? Maybe you do not know, but UA is the most corrupt country in Europe.
But anyway they lived quite peacefuly as neighbors. Plus there was a treaty with NATO promising not to expand east. They did.
RU was silent in that time because of weakened position after the fall of the USSR. So Nato spreaded slowly across eastern Europe. RU drew a red line with UA.
In 2014 was the UA maidan. Organised from outside. If you look at it closer and you will see the same scenario similar to other countries. Well. ok, they overthrew their govmt with the help of snipers shooting to the masses. The new leader Poroschenko came with the language law. His well know speach was broadcasted in national TV saying that who will not speak pure ukraininan will starve to death without a job and his children will sit in the basemet wihout the right to go to school.
But UA was a multilanguage contry. Not only UA and RU languages . There are several other minorities. None of these was recognised and respected by the new
govmt. Then the Minsk treaty - UA never fulfilled that. So the eastern (russian speaking) regions started the rebelion.Plus there was a Crimea and its strategical
meaning to RU.
And US and GB started massive weapon deliveries to UA and training of the UA army back in the 2014-2015. For example all former soviet t72 tanks and BMPs
were equipped with Motorolla communication stuff according to NATO standards, there were dozens of "specialists" to drill the UA army.... In 2021 they moved
a huge amount of troops to eastern UA. The plan was to attack Crimea. So tell me now who was plotting what for 20years. The only point was that when he realised that the conflict is unavoidable he stroke first.

"we gave a few of our weapons to the Ukrainians and Putin is getting his A55 handed to him" ..... Ru did not encounter with so massive support from the western contries. Thats true. "We gave few" - nope. EU donated a lot to UA, so did the US. Some 160 billions. "Getting his A55 handed to him" - not sure. As written before, since the beginning of the conflict RU forces were quite easy to infrastructure. Also the number of soldiers was not on par with UA. With some exceptions of long range missiles targeting exact points they did not use heavy weapons. Did not use carpet bombing or their TOS1 and TOS1a sytems etc. And slipping more weapons from the west only caused that they changed their mind in past 2 weeks. Result of that is a partial blackout on UA.
And if its humiliating for him of not.... i do not know, did not ask him. But looking at their economy it does not seem so. Even of massive sanctions threwn to RU from the west they are doing quite well. In spite of the EU. And even USA. Or do you think Brandon will win the next polls?

And last but not least: i spent some time in both countries and in the territories where there are the major fights now. I can say i know both sides quite well.
I work with ukrainian people here (or better said, some of them work for me). I have lot of friends on both sides. Some of them are filling their duty no matter
which side. So besides media on both sides i have quite some possibilites where to gain info from.
And said by the words of one of my UA employees " By God, Russians have nothing to do in UA. But we did almost everything in the last 8 years to force them come"
 

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The problems with Ukraine's leader do not undermine the logic of containment.


We defend bad dictators who are attacked by other bad dictators, because containment is beneficial. Nuclear non-proliferation is not the only benefit of containment.
 

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The problems with Ukraine's leader do not undermine the logic of containment.
The logic of containment does not work here. Or better said, it does not work for the parties directly involved.
Sure it can beneneficiary for US but not for the rest.

We defend bad dictators who are attacked by other bad dictators, because containment is beneficial. Nuclear non-proliferation is not the only benefit of containment.
Define who is bad and who is good. That is the main problem of the US political decisions for decades. Usa posed itself to the role of the worlds policy but
the reality is that it is a disguise based on sole benefits for the USA. So the US containment policy is in many cases based on other interests, no matter if economical or strategical.

Nuclear non-proliferation is not an argument. Look into the past and you will see that the policy of nuclear non-proliferation was not an idea of the US govmt and
in many cases it was the Soviets who initiated the first SALT treaty back in the 60ties. Then back in 2015 there was a new treaty signed by all major nuke players discussed
the Iran nuclear industry. It was Donald T who ceased that treaty in 2018. And it Was Donald T who also ceased the INF treaty (Reagan-Gorbatchew, Reykjavik 1987)
 

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well.. :)
Lets mix it with some propaganda from other side

plus this:

Zelensky signed a treaty with Poland allowing polish troops to enter UA territory. So sooner or later
these will meet the RU fu forces. If US troops get involved (aka protecting allies) then.... we have WW3 :(
 
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