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The "oil pressure gauge" in your '05 is nothing more than an idiot light. The "sending unit" is a switch that closes at something like 5 psi. When computer sees the switch close, it moves the needle to mid-scale.

I'd check to see if your oil filter is draining due to a bad anti-drainback valve. I believe it has to be up above min press in 5 secs or it will move the gauge to "L."

You can also run the instrument cluster self-test by holding in the trip odo reset and turning the key to on. You'll see all the gauges run through test and then any faults will be displayed in the odo.
 

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That eliminates the cluster as the problem.

The computer is not seeing any oil pressure initially.

I'd get a mechanical oil pressure gauge to check the oil pressure and see how long it takes to come up. You can probably get one at the auto parts store as a loaner tool.

The time to read is set in the software. Don't know of any way to change it.
 

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The computer moves the gauge around based on RPM. Notice that it does not change position based on hot or cold oil. A real gauge would. This is a result of people comlaining that their oil pressure is "low" or "high."

From the FSM:
Engine Oil Pressure Message - Each time the
cluster receives a message from the PCM indicating
the engine oil pressure of a 2.4L engine is above
about 0.2 kg/cm
2 (3 psi), or of any engine other than
a 2.4L is above about 0.4 kg/cm
2 (6 psi), the cluster
moves the gauge needle to the middle of the normal
range on the gauge scale to represent the engine oil
pressure. The gauge needle will continue to be positioned
at the middle of normal range on the gauge
scale until the cluster receives a message from the
PCM that indicates the engine oil pressure is low, or
until the ignition switch is turned to the Off position,
whichever occurs first.

Engine Oil Pressure Low Message - Each

time the cluster receives a message from the PCM
below about 0.2 kg/cm​
2 (3 psi), or of any engine other
than a 2.4L is below about 0.4 kg/cm
2 (6 psi), the
gauge needle is moved to the graduation at the far
left (low) end of the gauge scale, the check gauges
indicator is illuminated, and a single chime tone is
generated. The gauge needle remains at the left end
of the gauge scale and the check gauges indicator
remains illuminated until the cluster receives a message
from the PCM indicating that the engine oil
pressure of a 2.4L engine is above about 0.2 kg/cm
2

(3 psi), or of any engine other than a 2.4L is above
about 0.4 kg/cm​
2 (6 psi), or until the ignition switch
is turned to the Off position, whichever occurs first.
The cluster will only turn the check gauges indicator
on in response to an engine oil pressure low message
if the engine speed message is 300 rpm or greater for
more than about five seconds.



My '92's gauge actually reads in PSI and it will peak our at 75 PSI on a cold morning, which is the point at which the relief valve opens. On a hot GA day it will be down around 20 PSI at idle.
 

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Still not getting why my oil pressure gauge seems to move all over the spectrum with rpm changes if it's just an idiot gauge. Not only that, but how does oil temp affect what the gauge reads as pressure? Pressure is pressure regardless of how that pressure is generated, isn't it?

Sorry if this seems like a couple of dumb questions, I am generally wondering, not trolling.
The computer will move the gauge around slightly based on RPM.

If it were a true oil pressure gauge, it would be on the far right when the oil was cold (approx 75 PSI). When hot, at idle, it would be fairly far to the left (20 PSI or so). When hot and revved the oil pressure would vary from 20 - 60 or so with the RPM. You will never see one of these newer TJ gauges near the right peg, no matter how cold it is.

Hot oil is thin, therefore less pressure for a given RPM. Cold oil is thick, and hard to pump, higher pressure for a given RPM.
 
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