I have had zero issues on two TJs (one LJ) with Inverted T...so not sure what your are talking about. For some people that steering actually works contrary to internet bs...For me there was NO extra cost to get the geometry setup right. The 1ton setup is indeed less expensive , definitely not "cheap steering".
Replacement of tie rod sleeve and ends.
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Gotcha, about $75 a piece vs $30 a piece for Moog ones. I'm sure Currie would knock them down a bit if they didn't last a satisfactory amount of time. Still more expensive though
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People can have different opinions on inverted T. I know what mine is. On a trail only rig I might consider it depending on the setup. On something regularly street driven (or high speed desert stuff between trails), I'd have a hard time going there.
No you only have to buy the ZJ tie rod parts once. You can get the ZJ parts (even MOOG) at many parts supply stores and some stores offer have life time warranties. You can get many other parts with lifetime warranties. If you buy common everyday parts from the right place there are many different parts you wont have to buy again.
If you have special needs those common everyday parts may not be adequate. If down time is an issue keep spares.
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Most people don't like buying crappy parts and having to change them out 2 or 3 times as often, even if they are cheaper. I certainly wouldn't want to be changing my ZJ tie rod every year because it wears out when I can spend more and get a better quality part that lasts 3+ years. I still don't get people's fascination with Moog either. There's a reason cheap auto parts stores sell Moog as premium and all my economy parts at napa use basically the same numbers.
The ZJ tie rod has the tie rod end attached to the Tie rod , not threaded in. So that end is NOT replaceable. So you would have to buy the whole Tie rod assembly..just like the Currie Lync setup ...unless the store offers a Lifetime warranty on a wearable part :surprise:
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They do offer lifetime warranties on wear parts. You can go into AutoZone, buy a set of brake pads, use them down to the metal, go back with your receipt, say you didn't like them or whatever, and they'll give you a brand new set for free. It's a stupid business model and if they're willing to just give away parts I wouldn't want to put any trust into their quality. But some people do...The ZJ tie rod has the tie rod end attached to the Tie rod , not threaded in. So that end is NOT replaceable. So you would have to buy the whole Tie rod assembly..just like the Currie Lync setup ...unless the store offers a Lifetime warranty on a wearable part![]()
I bought Moog parts initially when I did the ZJ up grade. They lasted about 3 years. I bought them of the NET, I can't remember where they came from. I have bought from ZJ steering components form other places and they are all about the same. The last ZJ steering parts I got from Auto Zone and it has been over a year. In the last years I have bought items form Orielys and AutoZone and have had to return a tie rod end, and leaky stabilizer for the Jeep and a couple items for my truck. I give them a phone number and they return or refund no questions asked.
There are a couple NAPA in my area and they sell the same stuff as AutoZone or Orielys but for more money, less warranty and since they are franchises they won't get parts from other stores and you have to wait longer.
Tie rod ends and quick and easy to change. I doubt you will find many any better than the other. If you want or need something better buy a currie setup or something similar.
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The only parts napa sells that are equivalent to AutoZone are the economy parts, and they wouldn't even stock or sell those if there weren't people that come in on a day to day basis b******* and moaning about how we won't price match our quality parts to the crap that AutoZone and the like sells. You get what you pay for
call it what you want but for MOOG it is part# DS 1312 tie rod end
http://www.fme-cat.com/overlays/part-detail.aspx?brandId=MC&pNum=DS1312&partType=Tie Rod End
NAPA also calls PART #PCC DS1312 a tie rod end
https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/PCQDS1312
I guess I have crappy NAPAs. The one closer to work stocks more tools, light covers and hitches than the parts I need. The one closer to home stocks more tractor and heavy vehicle parts than the parts I need.
I have to go in, pay for it wait a few days. For Orielys or Auto Zone I just call them and a day later it is there and I go get it.
They cater to the area.
YES . Exactly you proved my point in your pictures. You HAVE to replace the whole Tie rod , not just the Tie rod end. Other steering setups like inverted T allow you to ONLY change the Tie rod end, they don't forge the end to the Tie rod. It is a replaceable threaded part .call it what you want but for MOOG it is part# DS 1312 tie rod end
http://www.fme-cat.com/overlays/part-detail.aspx?brandId=MC&pNum=DS1312&partType=Tie Rod End
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NAPA also calls PART #PCC DS1312 a tie rod end
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https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/PCQDS1312
You don't even need a receipt, just your phone number. NAPA Tire rod end ( at least the same long one) is no different than the Auto Zone one, except life time warranty at AZ and 12 months at NAPA.
Orileys sells different version of the ZJ longer tie rod, all with life time warranty.
The actual MOOG one has a larger end joint in it that rubs when I flex. The cheaper NAPA and AZ have a smaller end.
They are less than 35 bucks at NAPA or Auto Zone and can be much more at Orielys depending on which one. It takes less than 10 minutes to chane this tie rod end.
I have never checked compare the shorter ends but I have the longer ends.
The NAPA end and the AZ are the same one, at least in my area.
Go to your NAPA, take a look and then go to Auto Zone.
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Just food for thought for all the Moog people. The ZJ tie rods part number is ds1312 for moog. NAPA, Autozone, O'reilly's and Advance all have the same tie rod for sale with the exact same part number for all about $32, all classified under their own parts line. O'reillys and advance are even worse as they also offer a Moog version, the exact same part number and most likely the same part for over $80. So there's basically two options, either all the parts stores are able to afford buying the premium Moog parts and selling them for a lot less money than Moog, or all of the parts made in the same place and Moog is just the same thing for a lot more money.
As for a better part, I don't know of any premium parts anyone else carries, but IMO the Napa NCP parts are a lot higher quality and I have seen better results with them, such as 2696085 for about $70
As for a better part, I don't know of any premium parts anyone else carries, but IMO the Napa NCP parts are a lot higher quality and I have seen better results with them, such as 2696085 for about $70
They are not the same. The Moog end is bigger, I am not saying it is better. I don't know if these pics help but I might have an old actual moog one at home. I have the less expensive version in my Jeep. If I can I will get a side by side picture but there is a noticeable difference in size but none in performance that I have noticed.
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Just to be clear as to Currie, the tie rod and the two TREs for it are all separate products. Comment above saying otherwise is incorrect. A worn end does not require purchasing anything other than a replacement end. The only part of the steering with the TRE incorporated into it is the lower TRE in the drag link. And given the bends at that end of a draglink when running inverted Y I don't believe there is really an option to do otherwise.
Yes. Thanks for correcting me on the Correct Lync...the irreplaceable TRE is on the drag link. You still need to replace the whole Drag link if the TRE goes...
ZJ has the irreplaceable TRE on the Tie Rod...
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I've been around more sets of the Currie steering than can be easily remembered. I work on rigs daily for various reasons and over the years, I think we've replaced less than 5 draglinks and that's being generous. But hey, if you run inverted T steering because the ends are cheap, look at the value in not being able to steer well that you get with it. At least you're maintaining some good balance in the universe by not violating the lipstick on a pig rule.
Sure bud!
Like I said NO ISSUES running the inverted T ..EVER and countless others with the same setup with zero issues. So say what you want about your fantasies of Lipsticking a Pig
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