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Setting up a separate thread for this, because I think we're going to hear about it for years to come.

Manchin and Sinema are not the only Democrats who will be unelectible if the plan for reparations goes through :


If Manchin does not find a way to stop this from happening, then he can never be re-elected as a Democrat.

The lefties think they may be able to extract additional concessions from Manchin by setting up these straw dogs: i.e., "what will you give us in exchange for removing the reparations authorization from the spending plan"

Manchin can turn this around, and refuse to vote for any additional spending, unless the legislative language includes a ban on reparations.

That's why yesterday I speculated that Joe Bidenstan and Gin Socky have abandoned the idea of passing their build back socialist plan. Instead, they appear to have decided that virtue signalling is more important than actually spending the money.

The "logic" in the Democrats abandoning their plans for increased entitlements is that we're probably close to default on the Federal debt, which will cause a deep economic recession, requiring deep cuts in existing entitlements, as well as the termination of all the proposed new entitlements.
 

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One of the really shocking aspects of the reparations story is the powerball magnitude of the payout. Every day of my life I get my A55 kicked as punishment for following the rules, so I feel I'm more deserving of a $1mm payout than the illegals.

I think today's cohort of Dems is in for the surprise of their political lives, because legacy Americans are tired of getting their A55E5 kicked for following the rules and then being forced to pay for all this *****.

Amazing how dramatically the political culture has changed :

 

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I think today's cohort of Dems is in for the surprise of their political lives, because legacy Americans are tired of getting their A55E5 kicked for following the rules and then being forced to pay for all this *****.
It is so sad and discouraging to believe you are wrong. I want to agree with you. I want your faith in humanity. But as I've said before, this was all on the table in November, 2020, and they voted for it. And then they had the opportunity to remove Newsome and said, "No, give us more!!!!!".

Who are the legacy people? How old and how many? How do their numbers compare to the non-legacy people?

Is your understanding of the demographics of this country accurate? How old do you think most are? What race are most? How many are filthy, dirty illegals? How many 1st/2nd (ie younger) generation immigrants? How many graduates of propaganda?

Please consider the numbers. Legacy people are dead. Younger generations are by far the largest. Immigrant population growth is far greater than it ever has been. Minority births far outpace white births. Greater than 50% of all children are minorities. We're not going to pretend like this does not matter. These are simply facts, and we know minorities vote left. Add these voters to the number of dumb, white liberals, and you have an insurmountable problem.

Your video proves my point. Clinton spoke those words 26 years ago, and now he and his wife do not speak those words. How about Obama, Obiden, Pelosi, and countless others who have said the same things in the past? How many dumb, old Democrats do YOU personally know who have changed their minds? I know none! While their party has moved radically left, they have stayed aboard. It does not matter what is next, they are all in. Bill Clinton voters (who are still alive) were Biden voters in 2020, and they will vote Biden again.

Consider particular idiots on this forum. Name one who has changed their mind. Don't say, "I don't know because they're silent", you know. Not one of those idiots have changed.

Like you, I played by all of the rules, particularly the financial ones. I have set my own rules that are far more arduous than most anybody's. I've watched so many others act irresponsibly, fail, get bailed out, and then repeat. Everything I have worked and sacrificed for is being systematically taken from me. I am being beaten down. I am being forced into the lower financial class that the liberal elites want everyone else in. It is infuriating.
 

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I can't see this crap going over well at all. I think this is another "bird/dog whistle" meaning that if you(illegal) get to vote someday we(democrats) would have if we could have gave you this money.... wink wink. At least right now that is what i believe until more comes out.
As for financially, the wife and i doing better year after year no matter who is president......
I will not let these people or anyone keep me from enjoying the rest of my life.
 

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Like you, I played by all of the rules, particularly the financial ones. I have set my own rules that are far more arduous than most anybody's. I've watched so many others act irresponsibly, fail, get bailed out, and then repeat. Everything I have worked and sacrificed for is being systematically taken from me. I am being beaten down. I am being forced into the lower financial class that the liberal elites want everyone else in. It is infuriating.
I hear ya. O'Biden's crew is quickly making this country poorer. I'm thinking the powerball-magnitude payouts to illegals will wake people up, because it's incredibly offensive to the rest of us who are paying for this.

One of the concepts of legacy Americans is the people who know how to fix things, how to make things work. When their participation in the labor market is reduced then we see anomalous inefficiencies like ships anchored outside the ports for week because they can't be unloaded.

Those practical work skills of legacy Americans are not really sought after by those who have entitlement mentalities. This country has brought in millions of illegals this year and obviously this "increased labor force" could do nothing to fix the supply chain. About 1.7mm apprehensions so far this year, and Trump says his people estimated the flow of illegals at seven times the number of apprehensions, so that's 12mm illegals so far this year. Too much, too fast, it's permanently changed the country.
 
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Like you, I played by all of the rules, particularly the financial ones. I have set my own rules that are far more arduous than most anybody's. I've watched so many others act irresponsibly, fail, get bailed out, and then repeat. Everything I have worked and sacrificed for is being systematically taken from me. I am being beaten down. I am being forced into the lower financial class that the liberal elites want everyone else in. It is infuriating.

How many dumb, old Democrats do YOU personally know who have changed their minds? I know none! While their party has moved radically left, they have stayed aboard. It does not matter what is next, they are all in.
Well, according to traitor joe obiden, YOU are just not paying your fair share!
It is beyond more than obvious to me these marxist's will stop at nothing short of only the elitist's on the top and the peasants (you and I) at the bottom! Literally EVERY dem potus in my lifetime has raised taxes on the middle class! It is what they do!

And I think you are correct, every lib/dem I know locally has followed along in lock step! It's mindboggling. I have a friend who's wifey is a dem, and all day long she watches cnn and npr. She goes on rants of how Fox news lies all the time.
"Hannity and Tucker are liars!"
Really? What did they lie about? What lie did they tell?
"They are all liars... that's all they do".
Lol
None of them can point to ONE single lie, but cnn and npr told them so... so it has to be true!!! :fish::fish::fish:
 

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Even though Manchin is aware of your points, he recognizes that O'Biden is marching the Dems off a cliff, just like Obama did. That's why Manchin just announced that he's calling for the new spending to be honestly scored, especially since we're so close fiscally to no longer being able to maintain full social security and medicare :


Ya know there is something O'Biden still has in common with Bill Clinton. Biden is repeating the Bill Clinton playbook for staying out of jail. Clinton avoided impeachment by making a hard left turn, and Biden is similarly trying to keep his 5hitty crack-smoking kid out of jail with the hard left turn. Biden believes so firmly in the efficacy of this strategy that they're still actively soliciting bribes :

 

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Personally, I think those paintings are worth it. Prove that I don't think that.

Honestly, when is the last time "art" was anything more than a tax loophole for rich people? (I'd say...pre photography?). Yeah, it's not supposed to be this obvious, but neither is Biden/Ukraine corruption and Clinton/Russia collusion...Democrats just have no shame. They have no reason not to be obvious.
 

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I have a friend who's wifey is a dem, and all day long she watches cnn and npr. She goes on rants of how Fox news lies all the time.
"Hannity and Tucker are liars!"
Really? What did they lie about? What lie did they tell?
"They are all liars... that's all they do".
Lol
None of them can point to ONE single lie, but cnn and npr told them so... so it has to be true!!!
Makes sense, I've noticed Manchin changes his messages quite a bit depending on whether he's being interviewed by Fox or cnn, because he knows they have very different audiences.

Tucker has a great way of analogizing/ summarizing cnn's downfall :


NASCAR's president just did this as well, he just trashed his customers, so we'll have to boycott. It's like he's counting on future elections to be stolen, so it doesn't matter how his customers feel.

I for one could not get enthused about MLB this summer because of the way they've tried to thwart our democracy.
 

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I for one could not get enthused about MLB this summer because of the way they've tried to thwart our democracy.
If you're talking about the all star game and Georgia, then yeah, that was crap. I boycotted that game.

However, I would point out one thing... the USA is not a democracy. Never has been. We are a representative republic. I'm sure you know that. But this is what the lefties and the lame stream media has been pushing... constantly saying crap like 'Trump is destroying our DEMOCRACY... bla, bla, bla. Might sound good to them, but not factually accurate. I will not parrot their garbage!
The lefties WANT a true democracy. That way they can win by/with a simple majority of one. THAT is why they hate the Constitution. B/c it keeps them from total control! Heck, a leftie lib guy I know actually wanted the Senate abolished so that they/he thought they could control the house for forever and ever! No understanding of how the founding system was set up or is supposed to work... then again, he is a complete dumbarse!
 

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If you're arguing in favor of undemocratic results, obviously long-term that's unsustainable without secession.

There are a lot of good reasons to take the vote by State, and no harm in it because undemocratic results were extremely rare prior to 2000.

Taking the vote by State supports, strengthens the two-party system, and used to reduce election fraud, until the leftys figured out they could have the votes counted by a Venezuelan company that's owned by the chinese communist party! They also used covid as an excuse to allow millions of dead people to vote!
 

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One of the ironies of life is in the familiar political gender gap. They're saying the massive polling shift in favor of republicans over the past 12 months has been exclusively among guys, whereas women haven't changed at all in terms of dem/rep preference.

When something like a baby food shortage happens, it seems women are likely to view it as an act of God, like a natural disaster. Whereas guys ask the logical question: why is this happening now, when there were no shortages two years ago?

So women just view this as a natural disaster, and suffer in silence, or take it out on those who are close to them, instead of taking the guys' approach of trying to find constructive solutions to this politically motivated man-made disaster.
 
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