Small,as in 5mph sized,not 30+mph sized wake.
Hydrolocked my engine with dealer plates still on...
So here's my story. I was out playing around in puddles...really nothing big at all. On my way out I made one final run, a little water splashed on the hook and the engine died. I still have the dealer plates on her and they towed me, after my friends got me out of the water, to the dealership. I've read some of the threads and seen some people say that it was covered by Jeep for the repairs. I have a video of my final death run and it shows I was not exceeding the limits of "the most capable offroad vehicle". She's a stock JK Rubi and can climb anything I point her at...water seems to be an issue. I would love to hear any thoughts on this, what it could be, best wat to prevent it (what is the best snorkel?) and if anyone has had this happen and had it covered by warranty I'd really love to hear from you so I can have a little ammo when I go in to fight them.
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Not at 50 mph though like people seem to think cause they want a splashI think stock JK's are rated for 30" of water crossing. Correct me if I am wrong.
Where did the water get in if you weren't in water that deep and you weren't speeding?
All you really need to know is that they advertise water fording capability. Some lawyers can sue them for false advertising. I have seen it happen with a few land rovers and LR upgraded clients to the tricked out model version free of charge. Go to court and they loose.So here's my story. I was out playing around in puddles...really nothing big at all. On my way out I made one final run, a little water splashed on the hook and the engine died. I still have the dealer plates on her and they towed me, after my friends got me out of the water, to the dealership. I've read some of the threads and seen some people say that it was covered by Jeep for the repairs. I have a video of my final death run and it shows I was not exceeding the limits of "the most capable offroad vehicle". She's a stock JK Rubi and can climb anything I point her at...water seems to be an issue. I would love to hear any thoughts on this, what it could be, best wat to prevent it (what is the best snorkel?) and if anyone has had this happen and had it covered by warranty I'd really love to hear from you so I can have a little ammo when I go in to fight them.
Jeep.com:
"Hit that riverbed with confidence. Trail Rated® Jeep® 4x4s feature additional electrical and body sealing, along with a high air intake location for optimum water fording capability. Note: Do not attempt water fording unless depth is known to be less than 19 inches."
They have the the air intake right UNDER the edge of the hood where water would naturally drain form the hood. Completely insane!This is so strange. I am sorry to hear about your JK, but am alarmed to hear that this may be a problem with the JK. I have splashed around in it a few times, and have discovered SOME water and dirt in the airbox, but hardly anything (liquid wise) on the filter and nothing past it. I just pull the box and clean it in the sink each time and replace the cotton filter. I usually keep one with me in case it gets soaked. Are you sure that it Hydrolocked? It wasn't just a soaked filter? If the cotton filter becomes saturated, it will completely block airflow to the engine, killing it and preventing it from starting.
Have fun with that.So here's my story. I was out playing around in puddles...really nothing big at all. On my way out I made one final run, a little water splashed on the hook and the engine died. I still have the dealer plates on her and they towed me, after my friends got me out of the water, to the dealership. I've read some of the threads and seen some people say that it was covered by Jeep for the repairs. I have a video of my final death run and it shows I was not exceeding the limits of "the most capable offroad vehicle". She's a stock JK Rubi and can climb anything I point her at...water seems to be an issue. I would love to hear any thoughts on this, what it could be, best wat to prevent it (what is the best snorkel?) and if anyone has had this happen and had it covered by warranty I'd really love to hear from you so I can have a little ammo when I go in to fight them.
The warranty section of your owners manual reads they will cover repairs to covered parts due to "defects in materials or worksmanship".
Getting water in your engine from an outside source is not a defect in materials or worksmanship.
Have fun buying a new engine.
The only ways a hydrolocked engine would be covered by warranty is if you had a intake or head gasket leak coolant into the cylinders, or a head or block crack allowing coolant into the cylinders thus allowing the engine to hydrolock. This would be a defect in materials or worksmanship.
I doubt it will be covered under warranty. Mine sure wasn't and I was only in maybe 12" of water or so. Wasn't even driving that fast at all either for mine. Just grenaded somehow I really can't explain it. My isurance sure stepped in to help thanks god. just over $9,000 to have it replaced.
That totally Sucks! I think I may be looking for a Snorkel for mine sooner than later.
I would not post that video until you have this settled. Even then... Service advisors and insurance adjusters watch You-Tube as well.
First shot is take it to the dealer be cool about it and just explain that you were crossing shallow water at a prudent speed, figure 10 mph tops and it just died suddenly. Just don't be too shocked if they tell you to file a claim with your insurance.
The problem is that time is one their side. Unless you are prepared to have the Jeep fixed out of your own pocket then file a claim first against Jeep & second against your insurance, Option 2 park it in the driveway for months while you argue your case.
Best bet is to go in tomorrow and plead your case but be prepared to call insurance and file it as damages just like any other accident.
Personally I would omit the details of how it happened... hit a puddle on a dirt road and it died, end of story.
I would not post that video until you have this settled. Even then... Service advisors and insurance adjusters watch You-Tube as well.
First shot is take it to the dealer be cool about it and just explain that you were crossing shallow water at a prudent speed, figure 10 mph tops and it just died suddenly. Just don't be too shocked if they tell you to file a claim with your insurance.
The problem is that time is one their side. Unless you are prepared to have the Jeep fixed out of your own pocket then file a claim first against Jeep & second against your insurance, Option 2 park it in the driveway for months while you argue your case.
Best bet is to go in tomorrow and plead your case but be prepared to call insurance and file it as damages just like any other accident.
Personally I would omit the details of how it happened... hit a puddle on a dirt road and it died, end of story.
Slow and steady just like in this Jeep commercial?The Jeep website "4 wheeling basics" say to avoid pushing a wake....so, slow and steady....
YouTube - 2008 Jeep Wrangler RollerCoaster TV Ad
I used to use my jeep liberty like a jet-ski when we were hitting big puddles and I had never had the thing hyro lock. I wonder if I should be more worried about my wrangler
"allibaster; Slow and steady just like in this Jeep commercial?"
I know, I know....like I always tell my kids....do as I say, and not as I do.
The commercials are pretty, but the reality is that as long as they throw the "real story" somewhere in the literature, and then tell you that you have to read it....they're 90% covered...
I know, I know....like I always tell my kids....do as I say, and not as I do.
The commercials are pretty, but the reality is that as long as they throw the "real story" somewhere in the literature, and then tell you that you have to read it....they're 90% covered...
The OP talks about a puddle. Define puddle. How deep and how big?
Try removing the spark plugs and cranking it.
Try removing the spark plugs and cranking it.
Ooh, the website has changed again, it now says "Go as slow as possible, but as fast as neccesary"
Wow, that's so incredibly specifically vague, I almost completely kind of really don't understand it.
Wow, that's so incredibly specifically vague, I almost completely kind of really don't understand it.
commercials...
every time you spray axe deoderant, do those waves of bra-less women in white tshirts pile into your jeep with you while you take aim at puddles for the wet tshirt contest?
no. (unfortunately not in my world)
and "slow as possible, as fast as necessary."
that's been an adage for a long time. i've been hearing it for years, from quads back in the x90s to mt biking in the x00s and now jeeping in the x10s.
not that its easy for me to abide by, it is prudent advice.
every time you spray axe deoderant, do those waves of bra-less women in white tshirts pile into your jeep with you while you take aim at puddles for the wet tshirt contest?
no. (unfortunately not in my world)
and "slow as possible, as fast as necessary."
that's been an adage for a long time. i've been hearing it for years, from quads back in the x90s to mt biking in the x00s and now jeeping in the x10s.
not that its easy for me to abide by, it is prudent advice.
Your speed has alot to do with fording water,it's common sense which seems like some of you do not have alot of.Sure those big splashes look cool but is it really worth paying for a new engine?All you really need to know is that they advertise water fording capability. Some lawyers can sue them for false advertising. I have seen it happen with a few land rovers and LR upgraded clients to the tricked out model version free of charge. Go to court and they loose.
Jeep.com:
"Hit that riverbed with confidence. Trail Rated® Jeep® 4x4s feature additional electrical and body sealing, along with a high air intake location for optimum water fording capability. Note: Do not attempt water fording unless depth is known to be less than 19 inches."
I've been in water to almost my hood line,nice and steady speed of about 5 mph kept the water away from my air inlet.Just got to use common sense.
If you want to play in the water time to actually make a deep water fording kit,expect upwards of $5000+.When properly done you can ford deep water with ease,and if you want to learn how to properly ford deep water join the Marines and become a mechanic or driver and you will get tought the proper way to ford 60" of water in HMMWV,it's kinda fun but you will get wet.
Sounds like they have gotten their new bosses (Uncle Sam) to help out with warranty speak!Ooh, the website has changed again, it now says "Go as slow as possible, but as fast as neccesary"
Wow, that's so incredibly specifically vague, I almost completely kind of really don't understand it.
Guess I'm not a real Jeeper.
The idea of taking a 30k vehicle (especially if it's your transportation) and trying to tear the damned thing up is...
Well, you get the idea.
The idea of taking a 30k vehicle (especially if it's your transportation) and trying to tear the damned thing up is...
Well, you get the idea.
Update
To answer a few questions the water was probably not deeper than 19 inches, I didn't stop to measure after it happened. A 2wd F-150 went through just before I did and had no issues. As far as the dealer, they are sticking with the "It's not our fault" line. Yes, I did take a trail rated vehicle through a reasonable puddle at a reasonable speed, it is my fault for using an off-road vehicle...forgive me...off-road! I went all the way to the general manager showing the video and even they said it should be covered. But water in the engine, no matter what...is apparently a user error. I called my insurance company and without a blink they said they'd take care of me. They asked me to hold onto the video because it seems like something they would go after Jeep for and get me my deductible back. It's only a $100 out of pocket engine so I can't complain too much. Thank god for insurance. JK owners...buy a snorkel...even for splashes. That is going to be my first purchase as soon as I get her back. Any ideas on the "best" snorkel kit?
To answer a few questions the water was probably not deeper than 19 inches, I didn't stop to measure after it happened. A 2wd F-150 went through just before I did and had no issues. As far as the dealer, they are sticking with the "It's not our fault" line. Yes, I did take a trail rated vehicle through a reasonable puddle at a reasonable speed, it is my fault for using an off-road vehicle...forgive me...off-road! I went all the way to the general manager showing the video and even they said it should be covered. But water in the engine, no matter what...is apparently a user error. I called my insurance company and without a blink they said they'd take care of me. They asked me to hold onto the video because it seems like something they would go after Jeep for and get me my deductible back. It's only a $100 out of pocket engine so I can't complain too much. Thank god for insurance. JK owners...buy a snorkel...even for splashes. That is going to be my first purchase as soon as I get her back. Any ideas on the "best" snorkel kit?
Then why buy a Wrangler...go for comfort with the Cherokee or even dare I say...an H3. That's what it's made for you may as well test the limits.The idea of taking a 30k vehicle (especially if it's your transportation) and trying to tear the damned thing up is...
Show me another convertible 4x4 and I will consider it. Seriously folks, ther eare other reasons to own a Jeep than flogging it. If there weren't Jeep would have been out of buisness long ago.
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