actually Pete, i spotted a jeep with a legit trail flag in the woods on my way to alpine, i don't remember exactly how far along it was cause i was crusin wit my uncle in his corv. stingray for a sunday drive when we past the jeep, and all i can remember is that we eventually ended up in alpine, im pretty sure we took the ny palisades parkway to get there tho. c yah around. ur pal, Nick :cheers2: