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Finally got the CJ back after replacing the steering column and steering shaft. Took a while to get the right one, but finally nailed it down. Now I'm looking into keeping the 304 working in top condition. Any suggestions of what oil filter and oil to use, as well as, an air filter. K&N? Is it worth the money? Any suggestions? Thank you for all the help. This forum has been amazing for all the help given so far.
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NC 1977 Jeeper said:
an air filter. K&N? Is it worth the money? Any suggestions?
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Stock housing and paper insert.
Any stock housing scrounged off any U pick yard and a paper filter.
Aftermarket chrome housing and paper filter.
My personal experience with oiled gauze filters is they wont filter the fine dust. I will only run them on my sand rigs.
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I use Wix filters on mine. Had the K&N until i read about the fine particulates issue.
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NC 1977 Jeeper
Love the Willys! Where does she keep it?
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NC 1977 Jeeper
I went with the Wix for both oil and air, so we will see.
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I've been using the paper type forever.

I use to and still sorta view them as a "Fad" or "Look at Me!" add ons.

The only reason I had to buy the "Cleaner" and the "Spray on stuff" was

When I was robbed by purchasing that dissimulate, now "bucket webster",

It came equipped with one, finding a paper one to fit was not an option

back in 2000 with no "net".

Just preparing it during an oil change made things less simple.

After a while, it did not have that "new appearance".

One day, someone will want the "Genuine Brand" but with a phony a reputation thing.

I would just chunk it, but I still see Over 20 ---$20 bills, just laying in the bucket.

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Kind of going off topic, but the speaker issue. Do ya'll agree with the roll ball speakers and floor mount? And I'm showing my nonmechanical side of me, JeepFeller, you said paper type, is this paper in the filters verses? Again, I'm learning.
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Personally, I like the idea of the front dual speaker pod, but if I was going to add something in the rear I'd look at something like this:
www.quadratec.com

Vertically Driven Products Sound Wedges without Speakers for 80-95 Jeep CJ7 & Wrangler YJ

The Vertically Driven CJ/YJ Sound Wedges without speakers uses the wasted space between the roll bar and wheel housing. Clever molded design features one drink holder per box for rear passengers. Sound Wedges accept 6"x9" speakers. Fits 80-95 CJ7 and Wrangler YJ. Sold in pairs.
www.quadratec.com www.quadratec.com

Lil cleaner integration, out of sight-out of mind, and you gain cupholders!
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NC 1977 Jeeper
K-Dub, I thought of that too. You wouldn't hit your head on the roll bar speakers, but will I hear them? I'm really thinking of getting rid of the side pipes and going with some Flowmaster Super 44s and pipes out the rear and that will change everything.
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NC 1977 Jeeper said:
Love the Willys! Where does she keep it?
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See POST #5 in here Willy Nilly

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VS : This pain

Speakers? Quadratec floor mount speakers

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Do what you want!

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I used a sound bar out of a YJ (along with dome light) when I put the family roll bar in, the vertically driven sound wedges, a very low profile 8" sub under passenger seat, along with the dash speakers. I put aluminum kickers in the dash and sound bar along with some pioneer 6x9's I have been abusing for years. Sounds pretty good and I can hear it on the freeway with the top off so that's a plus. I tied the overhead speakers in with the dash speakers so I could fade them down if needed. Nothing worse than blaring speakers 4 inches above your head...worked out nicely.

The super 44's sound good in my opinion.
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NC 1977 Jeeper said:
Finally got the CJ back after replacing the steering column and steering shaft. Took a while to get the right one, but finally nailed it down. Now I'm looking into keeping the 304 working in top condition. Any suggestions of what oil filter and oil to use, as well as, an air filter. K&N? Is it worth the money? Any suggestions? Thank you for all the help. This forum has been amazing for all the help given so far.
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Interestingly enough I’ve used K&N twice on different cars and in both cases it changed my torque and lowered my gas mileage. An ASE certified mechanic told me Those results were not uncommon. BTW what did you end up using for a steering column?
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Speakers? I have two Radio Shack mini speakers in the front and a wooden boom box with marine speakers in the rear. Can't hear 'em. Radio stays off unless we are on a mountain road or parked. That might change with the new to me old top. A muffler might help too.

Air filters are like oil, tires, and beer. Everyone has their own preferences and heaven help us if we try to convince them otherwise.

When we first parked the Jeep in the drive it had a 4" Mr. gasket air filter. That little some beach could clog up in a day's time. Everyone said replace it with an original but couldn't tell me where to find one. Close by we have a hillside graveyard where old jeeps go to die--like the elephants do in Africa. He didn't have one to fit a 258 with a YF. "We can make this one work, but honestly I sell them to folks doing restorations and I price them high." I bought a full-size Mr. Gasket and found that it used the same filter as the OEM. Then I discovered that the K&N I bought for my 87 S10 was the same diameter, but a tad taller than the Jeep filter. That\s what it uses today. During pine pollen season it keeps the pollen out of the carburetor. That chit will turn a black Jeep green overnight. I can't tell if it increases fuel economy because I did several things to it at the same time and the mileage did improve. Power maybe, but it did give the engine a different sound.

The main advantage I see with the K&N is that I can refresh it without waiting for the FLAPS to order a new filter which they never had in stock. Refreshing is part of the spring ritual of changing oil, checking the fluids, lubrication, tire rotation etc. If I didn't already have a K&N filter I probably wouldn't have bought it.

That's my $.02 worth although there ain't much you can buy for $.02 anymore.
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NC 1977 Jeeper said:
Kind of going off topic, but the speaker issue. Do ya'll agree with the roll ball speakers and floor mount?
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I like in dash 5-1/4" speakers that fit the CJ dash studs and speakers behind the front seats, Vertical Driven product, with some decent made speakers. Nothing too expensive as being exposed means getting ripped off from prying eyes.
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NC 1977 Jeeper said:
K-Dub, I thought of that too. You wouldn't hit your head on the roll bar speakers, but will I hear them? I'm really thinking of getting rid of the side pipes and going with some Flowmaster Super 44s and pipes out the rear and that will change everything.
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Obviously those with them, @keith460 , will have better input but they seem to aim across to throw sound between seats to opposite side...im still rocking the 90s Pyramids atop wheelwells in back corners and can hear them up to about 45mph with top off, so dont plan on an update anytime too soon, lol.
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NC 1977 Jeeper said:
K-Dub, I thought of that too. You wouldn't hit your head on the roll bar speakers, but will I hear them? I'm really thinking of getting rid of the side pipes and going with some Flowmaster Super 44s and pipes out the rear and that will change everything.
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I wanted roll bar speakers, but thought the same thing. Then I saw a broken top for a forklift tote up here at the plant. I asked the owner for it, cut it up, and reassembled it as a speakerbox that will fit between my fender wells behind the back seat. I put (4) Rockville marine 6x9s in it, some foam backing inside, and I’m using a long(ish) pair of speaker wires, so I can turn it around or set it across the back corner of the [email protected] or whatever. It’s not pretty, but I probably won’t break the box itself anytime soon, just the speakers, when it falls off the corner of the tub, lol. Gonna repaint it; that’s a test coat, but it’s about the same color as the Jeep.
I’m thinking about some velcro pads to hold it in position when I’m wheeling, and screw brackets to dissuade the thieves when I’m here in the ‘hood, working. Oh! Also a Skar waterproof (yeah, right) amp somewhere under the dash, because I know all these folks bumping gangsta rap down here are actually fans of old-school country and thrash metal; they just don’t know it🤣😂🤣
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Speakers? I have two Radio Shack mini speakers in the front and a wooden boom box with marine speakers in the rear. Can't hear 'em. Radio stays off unless we are on a mountain road or parked. That might change with the new to me old top. A muffler might help too. Air filters are like oil, tires, and beer. Everyone has their own preferences and heaven help us if we try to convince them otherwise. When we first parked the Jeep in the drive it had a 4" Mr. gasket air filter. That little some beach could clog up in a day's time. Everyone said replace it with an original but couldn't tell me where to find one. Close by we have a hillside graveyard where old jeeps go to die--like the elephants do in Africa. He didn't have one to fit a 258 with a YF. "We can make this one work, but honestly I sell them to folks doing restorations and I price them high." I bought a full-size Mr. Gasket and found that it used the same filter as the OEM. Then I discovered that the K&N I bought for my 87 S10 was the same diameter, but a tad taller than the Jeep filter. That\s what it uses today. During pine pollen season it keeps the pollen out of the carburetor. That chit will turn a black Jeep green overnight. I can't tell if it increases fuel economy because I did several things to it at the same time and the mileage did improve. Power maybe, but it did give the engine a different sound. The main advantage I see with the K&N is that I can refresh it without waiting for the FLAPS to order a new filter which they never had in stock. Refreshing is part of the spring ritual of changing oil, checking the fluids, lubrication, tire rotation etc. If I didn't already have a K&N filter I probably wouldn't have bought it. That's my $.02 worth although there ain't much you can buy for $.02 anymore.
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If you have the round filter I have 3 of the amsoil filters in my basement, they are $20 a piece and you can use the K&N oil after washing them out with water and soap. Dave
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I wanted roll bar speakers, but thought the same thing. Then I saw a broken top for a forklift tote up here at the plant. I asked the owner for it, cut it up, and reassembled it as a speakerbox that will fit between my fender wells behind the back seat. I put (4) Rockville marine 6x9s in it, some foam backing inside, and I’m using a long(ish) pair of speaker wires, so I can turn it around or set it across the back corner of the [email protected] or whatever. It’s not pretty, but I probably won’t break the box itself anytime soon, just the speakers, when it falls off the corner of the tub, lol. Gonna repaint it; that’s a test coat, but it’s about the same color as the Jeep. I’m thinking about some velcro pads to hold it in position when I’m wheeling, and screw brackets to dissuade the thieves when I’m here in the ‘hood, working. Oh! Also a Skar waterproof (yeah, right) amp somewhere under the dash, because I know all these folks bumping gangsta rap down here are actually fans of old-school country and thrash metal; they just don’t know it🤣😂🤣 View attachment 4173129
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bob4703 said:
Speakers? I have two Radio Shack mini speakers in the front and a wooden boom box with marine speakers in the rear. Can't hear 'em. Radio stays off unless we are on a mountain road or parked. That might change with the new to me old top. A muffler might help too. Air filters are like oil, tires, and beer. Everyone has their own preferences and heaven help us if we try to convince them otherwise. When we first parked the Jeep in the drive it had a 4" Mr. gasket air filter. That little some beach could clog up in a day's time. Everyone said replace it with an original but couldn't tell me where to find one. Close by we have a hillside graveyard where old jeeps go to die--like the elephants do in Africa. He didn't have one to fit a 258 with a YF. "We can make this one work, but honestly I sell them to folks doing restorations and I price them high." I bought a full-size Mr. Gasket and found that it used the same filter as the OEM. Then I discovered that the K&N I bought for my 87 S10 was the same diameter, but a tad taller than the Jeep filter. That\s what it uses today. During pine pollen season it keeps the pollen out of the carburetor. That chit will turn a black Jeep green overnight. I can't tell if it increases fuel economy because I did several things to it at the same time and the mileage did improve. Power maybe, but it did give the engine a different sound. The main advantage I see with the K&N is that I can refresh it without waiting for the FLAPS to order a new filter which they never had in stock. Refreshing is part of the spring ritual of changing oil, checking the fluids, lubrication, tire rotation etc. If I didn't already have a K&N filter I probably wouldn't have bought it. That's my $.02 worth although there ain't much you can buy for $.02 anymore.
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I have 3 of the amsoil air filters in my basement they will do the same job for $ 20 and re reusable. just wash out with soap & water. Dave
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Stay away from K&N.
Stick with paper type. Much better filtering!
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Stay away from K&N.
Stick with paper type. Much better filtering!
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I like and use the K&N. However, I don't drive in the Mojave or any other desert. My offroad escapades are restricted to farm pastures and USFS roads and we stir up very little dust. Pine tree pollen is our worse dust and will clog any filter. When I take the top off the air cleaner, I never find any dust inside it.
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Disclaimer:
I've run everything from sand to pummy dust, so my views may are skewed towards the worst case scenario.

IMHIO, Gauze filters (like the K&N) have no real advantage on gas engines. Gas engines don't draw enough flow at anything but high RPM WOT to see an advantage of gauze over a paper element. Being able to toss the paper element instead of servicing the gauze filter is a major advantage that outweighs the "cool factor" for me.

Diesels are another thing. They draw as much at idle as most gas motors at WOT. Their breathing needs are much more substantial. This is where the gauze filter makes it's money. Unfortunately, the engine pulls so much air that it tends to "open" up the gauze and let fine grit pass (personal experience talking here). So much of the touted advantages of the filter have been negated by it's inability to filter properly. The big intake upgrade for pre 04 Powerstrokes is the "Tymar" upgrade, which consists of a large paper filter mounted on the fender in lieu of a any of the gauze elements and/or their "cold air" intakes.

I run gauze on my quads. They only see sand which is a course medium and coupled with a sand sock, rarely need servicing. Since the stock filters were a foam oil filter anyway, the ease of servicing the former makes it a better choice for me with no loss of filtration.


A quick note on stock style air filter housings. The single funnel intake actually aids in keeping your filter cleaner longer. As the air is brought in, it picks up velocity as it runs down the snorkel. the heavier particles will tend to continue on and hit the filter in front, keeping the rest of the element cleaner. I prefer these to the open performance style housings, especially in dirtier environments, which tend to drew outside air in around the diameter of the filter.
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