12 Things You Need To Do When Your ZJ Stalls
If you want a degree of confidence that you have done due diligence to make a good decision about repairing your vehicle, please take the time to read the text, click the links, and do the work. You may eliminate spending an excessive amount of resources that would be better spent on something more tangible, like a good multimeter or scanner, lift kit, or a new stereo. This takes time.
Read it all and try to absorb it, then give yourself a whole day to get 'er done. It will not fix itself, and any advice you get on possible causes will be compromised. This gets a little long-winded so if you have a short attention span, read the bold print.
There are common causes for these problems and simple methods to eliminate them and/or determine if they may be affecting your vehicle. Let's call them the "dirty dozen". Most of the items are routine maintenance that often gets overlooked. All are possible causes of no-code stalls
This information is derived from my personal experience of owning an I6 ZJ since it was new, solving my own problems with the aid of a factory service manual, helping people with their problems, having some knowledge of all things electronic, and reading intently trying to figure out how to keep my vehicle on the road without breaking the bank. Please take it for what it is... free information.
This was intended to be a stalling thread, but some of it fits no start conditions as well. If you have no start, check out Ratmonkey's (RIP) approach to no start conditions
. Check to see if the CEL comes on for three seconds when the switch is placed in the ON position.
If you know that the CEL was functioning prior to the problem you are having, but it is not coming on now, the PCM is dead. Check for a blown fuse in the PDC. (if you don't know what these are, keep reading) If a fuse is blown, get under your vehicle and do #9. A dead PCM can also be caused by a shorted crank sensor or O2 sensor. Sometimes, if you are lucky, you can disconnect the wiring to one of these sensors, and the CEL will start its 3 second check again. Of course, it will not start without the crank sensor, but it will run without the O2 sensor. If it runs for a few seconds and then shuts off, the security system is suspect.
The charging system is a major cause of no starts, and you should follow the link in #4 to get some good advice on checking your system.
If you are proficient at using a meter and have no start, check out this step by step method
to determine where the problem may lie. Note: The test is for 93-95. On the 96-98 system, substitute 5V everywhere it calls for 8V. See schematics here
for the 93-95. Wire colors may vary.
This may seem sort of silly, but if you think
you have 1/4 tank of fuel, run down to the gas station with your mower can and pick up a couple of gallons, and put it in your ZJ. They have a tendency to show 1/4 tank when it's really empty. There was a recall on 97s, but that doesn't preclude other models from similar behavior.
CODES: Check for codes regardless of the Check Engine Lamp (CEL)
. Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) are the results of a system or circuit failure but do not directly identify the failed component or components. If the code is not emissions related or has not occurred a set amount of times, the light will not illuminate. Do not assume because the lamp was on and the PCM turned it off, and there are no codes stored. It takes 40 cycles for it to dump the code out of memory.
Some auto parts stores will read the codes for you, or you can do the "key trick"
to get the two digit trouble codes to display on the odometer or count the flashes of the CEL. The "key trick" is cycling the ignition key On - Off - On - Off - On within 5 seconds. It works on everything but a 98 and can represent several different possibilities of diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) or P codes. So it's better to get the P-code to begin with. If you can spring for it, do yourself a favor and pick up a cheap code reader. You'll be better off in the long run; keep it under your back seat. There are numerous discussions posted on the Jeep Forum about possible solutions to every imaginable code.
If you bought a non-running or missing 4.0, it may have a misaligned distributor. To eliminate this as a cause, check the alignment.
Things you will need:
Things you may need:
- An open hood
- Problem solving skills
- Bright light (and mirror)
- Combination wrenches up to 15mm or 9/16
- Couple of screwdrivers
- Contact cleaner
- Dielectric grease
- Soft bristle brush
- Small steel brush
- Fine sandpaper or crocus cloth
- Fuel pressure tester
- Can of fuel treatment
- Tune-up kit
- 2x4" x swinging length
- A helper
One of these is just as likely to cause a stall as the other, so the list is random. I do not address the timing or severity of the stalls caused by each problem because only a couple have unique effects.
If the engine runs and CEL is not illuminated, see this post
for a description of non-monitored circuits. Keep all of this in mind as you proceed with the 12 items below.
- VERY IMPORTANT
. DO THIS FIRST!
. The grounds for the charging system, PCM, and O2 sensors get corroded. Any of them can cause your ZJ to cough, die, or both. Don't just look at them with a curious glance. They corrode and gather oil/dirt that you can't see while assembled. Disconnect the battery. Find three system grounds, take them apart, and clean them
. Make them shiny.
On the passenger side of the block, below the head, there are two studs with wires terminated. One shares a stud with the coil bracket
and the other shares a stud with a wire bundle clamp at the dipstick tube
. Take these nuts off, spray the area with brake cleaner, and use your steel brush to clean the stud, nut, washers, and all of the terminals. The PCM grounds at the forward stud. Then just outboard of the battery, there is a bolt in the fender where the battery grounds. Clean this one too. The alternator case grounds through the mounting bolts and mating surfaces on the engine. If you can't check it electrically, take the alternator off and clean the mating surfaces and bolts. If removing the alternator, you may also want to remove the alternator bracket since you may find the back of the bracket glazed/corroded. Iron plus aluminum = corrosion. NOTE: The locations specified above are for 97 with a 4.0 engine. Yours may have a slightly different configuration. The best bet is to take any stud you find apart and clean it as outlined above. If you have accurate location information for earlier models / different engines, please PM me, and I will make edits to include. I know the 93 4.0 PCM ground is at the battery terminal. Help me make a list.
#2. "THE BRAIN":
Behind the coolant reservoir on the firewall, there is a black box. This is "the brain". This colloquial metaphor probably makes some of you highly trained and pedigreed mechanics cringe, but what the hey...Two types of "brain" were produced for the ZJ, 93-95 has a unit that controls only the engine (you may see it called ECM, ECU, or PCM), and 96-98 has a combined unit that controls both the engine and transmission (PCM) and each type unit has its own set of common failures. For the older models, there is a proven method of repair
that could heal a variety of problems from no start to stalls and cost all of five dollars.
The following applies to the later models, and this problem generally presents itself as bucking at cruise or just dying out of the blue with no CEL. It can cause a problem with any circuit related to the engine or transmission. One troubleshooting step that can help is to run with the cruise activated (green light on). If the cruise consistently deactivates during the stall, there is a high probability that the PCM is the cause of the stall.
Start the engine (if it doesn't start, get someone to hold the key to the start position) and gently rock and pull on each connector and listen for changes to the way the engine is running
(or see if it starts). Then use a screwdriver handle or small wrench to tap the case of the PCM all over. You are trying to send vibrations to the inside of the case, but not to the extent that you are marring or mutilating the case. If you hear changes, this is a problem. One of two things is wrong. Either the PCM has deteriorated solder joints inside (very likely), or the contacts in the connectors are loose or need cleaning.
To clean the connectors:
- Disconnect battery.
- Remove the coolant reservoir. Three screws, brackets, and all sit on a covered battery.
- There should be two locking tabs on each connector, one on top and one on the bottom, that you can't see. Pinch the two tabs together and pull them straight out while rocking the connector.
- Spray Electronic contact cleaner in and on all plug contact areas and PCM contact areas. Use soft (horsehair) bristle brush to scrub the pins as you flood with cleaner. Allow drying for 4-8 minutes. Use air if you have it.
- Put Dielectric Silicone Compound on all contact areas and plugs.
- Plug back in firmly, being careful not to bend the pins, and be sure the locking tabs snap on.
- Reinstall the reservoir, and be sure to route the hose back through the hole in the fender well.
- Reconnect the battery.
Start it up and try the wiggle test again. If you are very lucky, you just solved your problem. If not, it will either start its antics immediately or wait a few days to rear its ugly head again. If the wiggle check fails after a few days or even weeks, no amount of re-cleaning will help.
There is also the possibility that the contacts in the connectors are worn out. You can go one of two routes to eliminate this as a cause. If you have the resources, the contacts can be replaced
or you can try to restore the tension of the contacts inside the connector
A caveat to the wiggle test: just because it passes does not mean the PCM is good, but you have eliminated the most common failure mode of this type of PCM.
If you want to take the risk of running with a temp repair, a lot of times, installing large zip ties vertically around the back and over the connectors in a fashion to excerpt enough pressure on the connector to cause the solder joints or contacts to "make" again
will give you some joy. Use large Zip Ties (get them at the HVAC section of big box home improvement) to secure the connectors tight enough to prevent the connector from moving with light hand pressure. Just remember not to depend too much on your vehicle if you add the zip ties, and the symptoms go away.
Flaky solder connections from the wiggle test can be repaired if you or someone who can be bribed with a six-pack has the technical talent and tools to pull it off. One of our more technical savvy members has generously posted an awesome do-it-yourself repair for the 96-98
that can be a used to bring you joy. JS97ZJ put a lot of time and effort into figuring all of this out and posting it up, so don't forget to say thanks when you save yourself a wad of cash.
Here is a list of things from Chrysler (Mr. Mopar) that contribute to the misdiagnosis of PCM on 96-98 models. If you have the technical skills, use this as a checklist before you bite the bullet and buy a PCM. I elaborate on some of these elsewhere in the article.
Common failures that cause misdiagnosis of JTEC Controllers (PCM):
• Intermittent grounds; Loose or corroded grounds may cause a false sensor
readings. Verify all sensor grounds terminate at PCM cavity A4 (BK/LB wire). See #2
• Manifold absolute pressure (MAP) sensor and Throttle position sensor
(TPS) voltages; check voltage over the entire range, not just the extremes.
Whenever possible, use an oscilloscope to check the MAP sensor
and TPS sensor output voltages for noise spikes.
• Verify minimum TPS voltage. The minimum TPS voltage should be approximately 0.5 to 1.5 VDC.
• Idle Air Control (IAC); Shorted windings or intermittent connections.
If IAC codes are present, check to ensure motor windings or related
connectors are not shorted to ground.
• Heater voltage for upstream and downstream oxygen sensors. Verify
battery volts +/-1 volts at all oxygen sensor connectors and DG/OR wire.
• Charging system malfunction; Alternator defective or battery not fully
charged. Check the alternator output to ensure there is no excessive ripple
voltage. Verify battery volts +/-1 volts at PCM cavity A22 (RD/WT wire).
• Sensor voltage supply. Check for approximately 5 volt output from PCM
cavity A17 (VT/WT wire) to MAP and TPS sensor, with ignition switch on.
• Distributor voltage supply. Check for approximately 5 VDC outputs from
PCM cavity A17 (VT/WT wire), or to cam/crank connector(s) with ignition
switch on and while cranking.
Wiring colors may vary. These are for 96-98. If you don't know how to check these items and you have a meter and know how to use it, reply to this post or start your own and ask the questions.
Troubleshooting Tips --- Other things to consider
• Auto-shutdown (ASD) relay; Corroded wires or faulty relay.
• Minimum airflow; check for air leaks or airflow obstruction.
• Vacuum system; Contaminants or leaks in vacuum lines.
• Fuel pressure and leak down.
• Vehicle speed sensor operation.
• Crankshaft and Camshaft sensors; Some aftermarket sensors have not worked properly with Mopar engine controllers.
• Splices and Fusible Links; check for open and/or shorted wires.
• Damaged connector terminals; Always ensure holding tabs are securely seated.
• Excessive current on certain connector pins may damage the PCM. The use
of a test lamp or a short in the wiring harness of the vehicle can cause this
condition. Always use a DVM when checking the unit/system.
• Check Technical Service Bulletins according to model year and system
CAUTION: ALWAYS DISCONNECT BATTERY NEGATIVE TERMINAL BEFORE REMOVING PCM CONNECTORS. DAMAGE TO PCM IS POSSIBLE.
If you want to replace your PCM, a reman may or may not be your answer. You never know what you'll get when you order a PCM online; reman, refurb, whatever; I'm not sure any of them actually rework the solder joints on the connectors. I have personally had four PCMs on my vehicle. Some of the repair and return shops and internet PCM exchange houses are a roll of the dice, and I do not recommend using them, though some users are satisfied. The most auto part store sells A1Cardone, and some sell Standard. They come with a year's warranty, and I had to utilize them. I finally got an A1Cardone to hold. Send Kolak a PM and see what options he offers.
I can't let this go unsaid: There is a website out there somewhere that offers to send you a fix for your stalling problems. Don't get suckered into this. If you want to give away 20 bucks, give to a charity or homeless person. The information they send you is available in this write-up, except this write-up doesn't propagate myths (the two screws, notice I say this in small font so maybe no one will mistake it for a fix)
or pretend that you've permanently fixed your problem.
:ranton: Every now and then, some poor misguided person will pop in, swearing that the two screw fix is the Be-All End-All fix to the PCM problems. If you are one of those people, I personally request that you disassemble the PCM and explain to me how a screw that holds two pieces of plastic together and internally touches nothing but plastic can have any relevance to the electrical characteristics of the PCM. What happens is that the connectors must be moved in order to get to the screws. In turn, this sometimes temporarily solves an intermittent loose connection. It is also possible that the connector that is in between these two screws (internally) is corroded, and disturbing the screws disrupted the insulator the corrosion had formed.
End of story.:rantoff:
#3. Power Distribution Center:
- The PDC is directly behind the battery and has a direct feed (which is also corrosion prone) from the battery. It has lived in a harsh environment for all these years and is susceptible to corrosion. Inside the PDC are the primary power sources for the fuel pump, injectors, coil, transmission, and PCM.
The first thing you want to do before you take the cover off while the engine is running (if it's running) is just give the PDC a good whack on top and sides with your hand and see if the ZJ objects. If anything changes, there's your sign. Time to repair your PDC.
Even if it is okay with you beating on it, disconnect the battery take the lid off, and flip it over. Take note of the location of the relays and get a handle on which relay is which. Pull them all out, and don't get them mixed up. Clean all the legs with your fine sandpaper or crocus cloth
(take note if a leg looks burnt) and use contact cleaner on the sockets. Put the horn relay in place of the fuel pump relay and the intermittent wiper in place of the ASD…, or vice versa. It really doesn't matter. Once you have done this, and your stall doesn't happen anymore, and the horn doesn't blow, or your wipers don't keep time with the music, you have found a potential cause of your stall.
Note: A lot of people have the misconception that a relay is a go/nogo device which is not the case. The FP and ASD relays are 100% duty cycle with a heavy current draw, and contacts are susceptible to carbon buildup. This equals intermittent function of whatever is on the load side of the relay, depending on demand. You can use the horn relay socket to test all of the relays for go/nogo... stick it in and see if the horn works. It is an off the cuff method that can leave stones unturned but could work in a pinch. Dirty contacts may operate the horn for a second or two but can fail under constant load.
Pull all of the fuses out one at a time and go through the same cleaning routine as you did with the relays. If a leg on anything you remove looks charred, you will need to disassemble the PDC and correct the problem.
#4. Battery, Cables, Charging System:
Remember, just because it looks good doesn't mean it IS good. These cause a lot of problems you would never think would cause an rpm drop, miss, or other persistent problems. If you can borrow a battery to swap and see how it runs, you're way ahead.
First thing, pay attention to your battery gauge. Theoretically, each index mark on the gauge represents 1.25 volts. When you turn the key on, the needle should rise well past the first major index mark (11.5V). Immediately after the engine starts running from a cold start, the needle should stand up at about 14 volts. If it is not doing this, it is time to check the condition of the battery. If you were able to measure it with a meter, you would be looking for > 12.65 (key off) and 13.8 to 14.3 volts (running immediately after cold start).
To get an idea if the charging system is healthy, observe the needle while gradually loading the system
. Note voltage while idling, then turn on accessories. The biggest current users are the rear defroster, blower motor (high), and of course, bright lights and fog lamps. Turn these on one at a time and see if the needle drops. If it does, rev to around 2000 RPMs and see if the needle goes back to its no load position. If it doesn't, something is amiss.
If you have the capability to do so, you can use the information in this thread
or this post
to check your system.
Regardless of how they look while assembled, clean the terminals and posts
. Use your stiff brush or a pocket knife to make the inside of the terminals and posts shiny.
While it is running and with the system loaded (turn some stuff on), very carefully wiggle and twist all of the main power cables from the battery terminals to the termination points. Listen to what the engine tells you. It may or may not change the way it runs. If you have an extra pair of eyes, put them in the driver's seat to monitor the gauge. During this inspection, if a cable feels like something is crunching or if you see (use your bright light!) white or green wire strands, it needs to be replaced, and you may have found your problem. Be sure to check ALL terminations associated with the charging system carefully for signs of corrosion.
There are numerous resources available on the web and some local parts stores to help you determine if your charging system is up to par, so I'm not going to go further and try to reinvent the wheel here. :google:
#5. FUEL QUALITY:
Buy some good quality gasoline
and use a can of fuel treatment (I like Lucas). If you can find it, try fuel without ethanol. If this helps, do #6, 7, and 10.
#6. FUEL PRESSURE:
These ZJs have so many problems that could be fuel pressure related. A tester is a necessary item for your toolbox. Go buy a cheap one. They all have instructions. Pressure should be 48 psi plus or minus 5 on the 96-98 and about 32 psi on the earlier models.
The pressure should remain steady throughout the throttle range. If the fuel pressure is acting up, be sure the power is good before you go buying a pump. The fuel pump relay is always suspect
if your fuel pressure is not normal. A quick and easy check is to swap it with the horn relay. You should also check the connector to the fuel pump for damage and corrosion.
Now would be a good time to get daring and crawl under the back of the Jeep while it's running. Lay your ear (or use a stethoscope) on the lowest part of the tank and listen for irregularities in the noise the pump is making. This is dangerous, don't get burned or run over.
. Use your head for something besides a hat rack. Unless you have loud exhaust, you should also be able to hear the pump run through the filler neck, but you have to get a stinky gas smell in your ear. If it sounds like the motor has sand in it, it's time to change the pump. Some people have made it home by whacking the low part of the tank with something that gets the pump's attention, like a 2x4.
The best option is to do a complete tune-up using OEM or equal parts
if you haven't had one for 20K. These old ZJs are not racing cars. They do not like or need race car (high performance) plugs, wires, or coils. These parts may not have the correct electrical characteristics and can be detrimental to the performance of the PCM. However, Do not buy the cheapest thing you can find. Numerous problems have been reported on the forum with low-end caps, rotors, and coils. Get a cap with brass contacts and copper plugs (4.0 doesn't like platinum plugs). Here
is Uniblurb's recommendation for parts for the 4.0.
The most telling indicator that the plug wires are bad is a blue glow or spark when the hood is opened at night when the engine is running. Get someone to apply the brakes and take it up a couple of hundred RPMs to put a load on the engine. Don't get run over. You can also use a spray bottle to mist water the ignition wires. There is some YouTube from Eric the Car Guy. Watch those.
If you have the technology, check the coil with a meter
. If you don't have the technology, take it off and give it a once over. Look for cracks and signs of arcing. A bad coil can cause temperature related misses and stalls, consistent misfires, or no starts. If you want to just change something to TRY to get it going, replace the coil. It's one of the least expensive items, and it doesn't hurt to have a backup if it doesn't turn out to be the problem.
If you just bought the vehicle or have been experimenting, the distributor may be out of alignment. To eliminate this as a cause, check the alignment.
I have found that simply taking the distributor cap off and cleaning the crud out will eliminate an occasional misfire DTC. No need to disconnect plug wires, just the coil wire and maybe the two wires closest to the block. Roll the cap up where you can see inside. Check for arcing, oil, dust particles, or any other foreign matter
. If it has oil in it, you will need to replace the distributor. Pull straight up on the rotor button to remove it and look for cracks and check the tip for pitting. Since you are this far into it, pull the cam sensor straight up to remove it and inspect it for cracks or damage of any kind. Then clean out the distributor housing while you have the cap off. Check all plug and coil wires for burned connections.
Most intermittent electrical problems are caused by faulty electrical connections or wiring. Before condemning a component or wiring assembly , check the following items:
- Connectors are fully seated.
- Spread terminals or terminal push out.
- Terminals in the wiring assembly are fully seated into the connector/component and locked in position.
- Dirt or corrosion on the terminals. Any amount of corrosion or dirt could cause an intermittent problem.
- Damaged connector/component casing exposing the item to dirt and moisture.
With the engine running, (be careful) find EVERY connector inside the engine bay. You're going to have to look for all of them (because I don't type well enough to tell you where they are), but start with the ones closest to the engine. Grab each one and treat it like you're trying to shell a peanut with two hands. While you have each side in each hand, twist, push, and no reason, so go ahead and clean them apart seemingly no reason, so go ahead and take them apart and clean them. The coil connector is known for having spread sockets because, best I can figure, various coil manufacturers, do not control the size of pins. Do you know how many/what types of coils have been used with your connector? If not, the spread sockets may be your problem. You can disassemble it and slightly elongate the sockets to ensure positive engagement. If this connection fails continuously, it will turn on the CEL, but if it only occurs once in a blue moon, it won't.
There are two main harnesses in the engine bay, the engine harness and a (for lack of a better term) body harness. It stands to reason that if there are drivability problems caused by a harness, the engine harness will be the first thing to check. These harnesses have splice areas that you can't see unless you dig in. With the engine running, start at the PCM and work your way out to the ends of the branches of each harness in the engine bay.
Using your bright light, follow the bundles, check for obvious damage or chaffing and grab about every foot or so and pull and push, twist if you can (to disturb the splices and find any wires broken inside insulation). Follow all of the branches out to their termination points. Pay particular attention to the area around the PDC.
The most common mechanical damage points are behind the valve cover and under the vehicle. Turn off the vehicle and set the brake. The bundle under the vehicle has a tendency to get caught in moving parts when a careless mechanic doesn't finish the work. The oxygen sensor wiring is usually the victim and can cause a no start or stall, depending on which part of the O2 sensor wiring gets abused. The O2 sensor wiring can also be burned the manifold due to misrouting. Check it all carefully, and it can be elusive.
Due to the age of the vehicles and the characteristics of the wiring insulation, engine heat can cause the insulation to break down, especially above the head/manifold area. It can lose its pliability and fuse together, causing the conductors to short circuit, either intermittently or dead short. One way to determine if this is happening is to strip off the looms and tape and check. Suppose you have the technical know how. You can figure this out with a meter and schematics. I found my TPS wiring was all fused together from the heat but had not shorted yet.
It has also been reported by several forum members that rodents love to nest in the engine bay, so be on the lookout for chewed outer jackets on the wiring. The longer your Jeep sits around idle, the more tempting it becomes to Chip n Dale/ Jerry. If your unit does sit around where there is a population of these vermin, I recommend disconnecting the battery while stored and inspecting the engine bay prior to reconnecting the battery.
If you do not know the history of the vehicle, check all over for add on fasteners that may be punching a wire bundle. One, in particular, is the main harness that runs through the radiator support. Fog lights, mud flaps, screws (instead of plastic clips) attaching bumper cover are all suspect.
#10. Throttle Body:
- Disconnect the battery. A nasty throttle body can cause stalls and hesitation at low RPMs. Plenty of info is available on the forum to clean TB and the Idle Air Control
. Here is a write up that will show you how to start.
Read all the way through so you'll know everything that could possibly go wrong. It is a lot easier to do it with the TB of the manifold, plus you don't wash all the gunk down into the intake. Get a new gasket when you get the carb cleaner... for 3 bucks.
#11. Vacuum leaks:
- Start at the intake manifold and follow all of the lines to their destination, inspect carefully for cracks in rubber and plastic.
It has to be a large leak to make it hesitate. With the air tube installed, spray carb cleaner (have a fire extinguisher at hand) around the intake head mating area and listen for changes in the engine. If you are uncomfortable using carb cleaner, use a misting spray of water. If you want to add a "good to have" item to your tool room, get a MityVac. They are awesome to find vac leaks with.
#12. Restricted exhaust:
- Tough one… it got me… If your vehicle has been running rich or backfiring, the catalytic convertor or anything behind it may be clogged
. It can fail in one of two ways. The back end can blow into the muffler, or the front end can melt and stop up the chamber. So, either way, there will most likely be varying amounts of loose stuff floating around in your exhaust system. About all you can do without doing exploratory surgery is to listen for a rattle, most prominent when the engine is shutting down (open the door, so you can hear it, give it a rev, shutoff key) or just banging on the exhaust pipe with a 2x4. Don't be fooled by a loose heat shield. If you hear the cat rattling, get under there and check the welds to be sure the shield is not loose. You can drill some relief holes in the pipe forward of the cat and see if it runs better and have them welded up later, or you can remove the front O2 sensor to allow back pressure to escape. This type of failure may cause it to stall under load at higher RPMs, accompanied by a rise in engine temperature. The rise in temperature on mine was about 10 degrees. The symptoms are dependent on the severity of the restriction.
So, you've hung with me and made it through the list, done everything suggested, and your Jeep is still being peculiar about when it wants to run. If you still have a problem, we make our first approach to sensor land.
To get an understanding of which sensor does what when, please take a look at the modes of operation.
You can disconnect the wiring to the O2 and cam sensors to eliminate them as a cause of the stall. The PCM will switch to the "open loop" mode and send default fuel pulses to injectors. Note: These should cause a code, but not necessarily a CEL. Simply disconnect the battery to clear the code.
- O2 is not required to crank or run.
- Cam sensor (pickup coil) is not required to run.
If it stops stalling, replace the sensor with Mopar or NTK parts.
If the problem persists, now we have to get technical. I suggest you take the time to become proficient at using a multimeter. If you have a multimeter and know how to use it, check the things outlined in the list above the PCM photo in section #1, but you need to eliminate the basics (the dirty dozen) first. See this great instruction from Fluke
on how to check your vehicle. I've been using a meter for a long time, and this is the simplest and most useful instruction I've seen. If you are uncertain about how to check something, do some Google searches (be sure to use the word "Jeep [engine type]), Jeep Forum searches (upper left hand corner), or reply to this post, and someone could advise you.
When you've exhausted yourself and are about to pull your hair out (if you have any), you can do one of two things:
1) Start a post
with as many facts as you can in regards to exactly when it stalls... accelerating, decelerating, up a hill, coasting, hitting a bump, completely at random, etc. What do the instruments do? What have you checked, and how did you check it? What have you already done to try to fix it?
The details (but not the story of your life) are important to get your Jeep running so you can resume your life. Here is a good synopsis
of how you need to approach getting help on the forum.
try for immediate gratification and get yourself one of these
If you get it fixed, please take time to come back to your post and tell the world what fixed it.
IF you get it running the way you like it, there are lots of other problems it can cause you. It's not a matter to worry about. Just know it's going to happen. For everything you wanted to know about your ZJ but neglected to read, check out the FAQ sticky
at the top of page 1.
Special thanks to JS97ZJ for posting the detailed PCM repair technical information linked from here and to the regulars who have put up with me while I figured all this stuff out.
If you can add something constructive that may keep someone from changing a perfectly good sensor or destroying their ZJ in a fit of madness, please do so. PM me if you have a suggestion, and I'll give it consideration. I am updating as I see opportunities.
Hope this saves someone some pain. 🍵
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