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05-20-2021 10:20 PM
95-ZJ
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Originally Posted by Benthal8 View Post
I wouldn't worry about the PP4 that much. While it's convenient to work with, the vast majority of people that are working on cars don't have one.

It seems like you have all the info you need to roll your windows up. Plus with your new FSM, you're in good shape.

That said, the one in the link you sent doesn't look very good. You could possibly look at an Autel one, but it won't have as many features.
Thanks for your input. Its just fine. The PP4 is no big deal. I have diagnostic probes and multimeters of various types. I been buidling, working on, modding, vehicles for about 40 years. With time I can diagnose and perform repairs on most anything.

And, You ARE right, I do have all the info I need to fix my windows. Its just more interesting to hear opinions, etc. asking for others viewpoints and getting answers to my questions.

MOST OF ALL, I like helping others when I have a chance, to share my experience and see someone take what I know and it makes their Jeep better. I call that a win.

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05-20-2021 05:08 PM
Benthal8 I wouldn't worry about the PP4 that much. While it's convenient to work with, the vast majority of people that are working on cars don't have one.
It seems like you have all the info you need to roll your windows up. Plus with your new FSM, you're in good shape.
That said, the one in the link you sent doesn't look very good. You could possibly look at an Autel one, but it won't have as many features.
05-18-2021 06:34 PM
95-ZJ
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Originally Posted by GOLDWING View Post
A man who pays for quality only cries once. If you like Chinese products that's your call. I am an American, and when I can, I support products made here.
I respect your opinion and align with it. 10-4. Roger that.

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05-18-2021 04:44 PM
GOLDWING
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Originally Posted by 95-ZJ View Post
How about this "knockoff". I know the addage ""speed costs money, how fast do you want to go" analogy but Goldwing, Is there a major difference other than price. Trying to compare and will be watching a south main auto tutorial later on the PP4 but since you seem to know your unit and have used it. Would a Amazon's best seller like this for 80 bucks do most of what the PRO level PP4 do?


https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071LHLSBB...ing=UTF8&psc=1

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A man who pays for quality only cries once. If you like Chinese products that's your call. I am an American, and when I can, I support products made here.
05-18-2021 01:43 PM
95-ZJ How about this "knockoff". I know the addage ""speed costs money, how fast do you want to go" analogy but Goldwing, Is there a major difference other than price. Trying to compare and will be watching a south main auto tutorial later on the PP4 but since you seem to know your unit and have used it. Would a Amazon's best seller like this for 80 bucks do most of what the PRO level PP4 do?


https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071LHLSBB...ing=UTF8&psc=1

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05-18-2021 01:21 PM
95-ZJ Thank you for the update and a source for a better price.
Make it a great day GW

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05-18-2021 08:50 AM
GOLDWING
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Originally Posted by 95-ZJ View Post
GW

I checked into the POWER PROBE 4.

Great testing and diagnostic tool. I concur.

You didnt mention pricies soaring upwards of $300 depending on supplier, That is a cost I cant afford at the moment. As a already broken down, divorced old guy with little extra money, especially, after this crazy, stay home, do nothing year, Its going to have to remain cheap probes, multi meters, head scratching and thinkin caps

Thanks again however, for the suggestion, GW

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05-18-2021 12:34 AM
95-ZJ
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Originally Posted by Benthal8 View Post
The PDF was just 2 pages from the FSM that show the wiring diagram for the window circuit.

It does open for me, on my laptop it downloads when I click on it and on my phone it opens.

I'd be curious to know if others can't open it as well.

I'm thinking you have an FSM? I think you would need one for all the work you're doing.

Also I presumed that your door on the '95 looked the same as my '98.
I have a few manuals, Chilton and Haynes, but they dont have the graphic. I just finally found a printed FSM coming Thursday actually. My old computer has been needing a new hard drive and decided to kick the bucket recently. So, just using my tablet which is fine, but I cant play DVDs or CDs. My FSM is a PDF format manual and I cant convert it to a thumb drive PDF because my computer stopped "puting"

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05-17-2021 01:44 PM
Benthal8
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Originally Posted by 95-ZJ View Post
Btw, the PDF is unusable as the link shows that the file is damaged, at least for me, I dont know if any others can access it? Let me know?.
The PDF was just 2 pages from the FSM that show the wiring diagram for the window circuit.
It does open for me, on my laptop it downloads when I click on it and on my phone it opens.
I'd be curious to know if others can't open it as well.
I'm thinking you have an FSM? I think you would need one for all the work you're doing.
Also I presumed that your door on the '95 looked the same as my '98.
05-17-2021 09:25 AM
GOLDWING
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Originally Posted by 95-ZJ View Post
GW

I checked into the POWER PROBE 4. Great testing and diagnostic tool. I concur. You didnt mention $300 however, and that is a cost I cant afford as a already broken down, divorced old guy with little extra money, especially, after this crazy, stay home do nothing year with so many uncertainties.

This JGC is not a extra toy for me. Actually it will be my transportation. I just saved for 6 months for this old Jeep Grand. And, just got most parts to get her on the road.

Anyway, if your referring to another PP4 and that is a $100 bucks, id make the stretch but 3x that amount is a tough pill right now. Thanks again however, for the suggestion,

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WOW! Mine was under $200 if memory serves.
05-16-2021 11:31 PM
95-ZJ
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Originally Posted by GOLDWING View Post
I recommend buying a Power Probe 4 for anyone who works on these ZJs. You will be able to put battery voltage and ground to any circuit on the vehicle.

This unit will also troubleshoot injectors, sensors, motors and many other systems on your ZJ. It may even keep you from replacing parts that do not require replacement.
GW

I checked into the POWER PROBE 4.

Great testing and diagnostic tool. I concur.

You didnt mention pricies soaring upwards of $300 depending on supplier, That is a cost I cant afford at the moment. As a already broken down, divorced old guy with little extra money, especially, after this crazy, stay home, do nothing year, Its going to have to remain cheap probes, multi meters, head scratching and thinkin caps

Thanks again however, for the suggestion, GW

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05-16-2021 11:01 PM
95-ZJ
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Originally Posted by Benthal8 View Post
I've powered the windows and I was a little thrown because the wiring diagram doesn't show a connector before the window motor, but look for the 2-wire connector shown in the first pic. this goes form the Drivers Door Module to the window motor. The wires to the motor were a different color than the schematic, but that's the connector with the white and light blue wires. (I forget which colors went to the motor but one set of wires was different) In any case it's the lower connector with what looks like green in the pic.
The 2 wires are just +/-, it's not grounded. so just try one way and see if it goes up or down, then reverse if needed.
I used a Power probe as well, but if you use a battery, those pins are pretty close together. You need 12VDC and it's got to have enough current (amps) to move the motor.
Don't try to power the windows from the wires on the DDM (multi-wire module), that won't work.
Thanks for the addl. info and the additonal pictures. Btw, the PDF is unusable as the link shows that the file is damaged, at least for me, I dont know if any others can access it? Let me know?.

So, regarding my door window and lock issue. I'll try to get some pictures tomorrow and include them.

On this 95 ZJ laredo, today, I did get the drivers door apart again and got into the wiring further. I previouly replaced the plug-in jumper harness that goes between the door and body/front inner fender awhile back because the previous owner had somehow ripped apart the entire pigtail and boot and almost the entire set of inner wires were unrepairable, and hence, the reason for the long search to find a replacement.

I also today, found 3 wires that are broken inside the door that were tucked away so visually I had not seen this issue.

I believe one to be a speaker wire, as its thicker and black and the other two, one of which is a thinner purple with a yellow stripe and the other is a thinner gauge black wire.

Upon furter inspection, each wire shows that they each were cut or severed in some way by the previous owner. When I aquired the Jeep, the evidence shows that the other former owners did not keep up with or take care of wiring problems professionally, but did their best with what they knew or didn't know so, that being said, this Grand, has some wiring gremlins lurking that I'll attempt to address, as time and funds allow. I hope my repairs will bear better results, but no pro either. We shall see.

Good luck and Gods speed with your door wiring. As I get into it, ill try to update this thread.

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05-16-2021 08:53 PM
Benthal8
Way to temporarily power a door?

I've powered the windows and I was a little thrown because the wiring diagram doesn't show a connector before the window motor, but look for the 2-wire connector shown in the first pic. this goes from the Drivers Door Module to the window motor. The wires to the motor were a different color than the schematic, but that's the connector with the white and light blue wires. (I forget which colors went to the motor but one set of wires was different) In any case it's the lower connector with what looks like a green wire in the pic.
The 2 wires are just +/-, it's not grounded. so just try one way and see if it goes up or down, then reverse if needed.
I used a Power probe as well, but if you use a battery, those pins are pretty close together. You need 12VDC and it's got to have enough current (amps) to move the motor.
Don't try to power the windows from the wires on the DDM (multi-wire module), that won't work.
05-16-2021 03:00 PM
95-ZJ
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Originally Posted by sterculius View Post
Just to add...I considered it like you said above -“it’s a 12v motor, it needs 12v power, the switch is the problem, what if I just ran power directly?”....

No ill effects and it solved my immediate problem to get the window up so I could park outside until the née switch came.
Thanks for the response and the follow up addl. Info.

I had been holding off doing this method but now after your confirmation of yours going on 18 months still working.

I'll give it a go.

I will have to do this for every window but it beats the tarp and a storm getting water inside.

CHEERS [emoji41]

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05-16-2021 02:25 PM
sterculius Just to add...I considered it like you said above -“it’s a 12v motor, it needs 12v power, the switch is the problem, what if I just ran power directly?”....

No ill effects and it solved my immediate problem to get the window up so I could park outside until the née switch came.
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