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05-20-2021 04:46 AM
wrightd
steering shaft

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Originally Posted by JeffBowser View Post
If, after all that, your steering is still loose, be advised that I went through two aftermarket steering gears that got just as loose as my original was until I broke down and bought a PSC steering gear. It's expensive, but....

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/p...gler/year/1997
I have struggled with the decision to replace it AGAIN. When I purchased Jeep, the steering gear was CLEARLY wore out, as was MANY suspension items, so I purchased one from Autozone, it has lifetime guarantee. But since then I read MANY post where people with Jeep TJs, replaced there stock wore out steering gear box, with one from a particular year Dodge Dakota truck, I forget which year, as it was VERY specific. THAT particular year has a more robust interior piston, which aided in overcoming, the stress of larger tires and weeny piston in factory TJ steering gear box. If the arm doesn't fix it, that is what I am going to do. Maybe someone can provide make. and model of Dodge Dakota truck that are most commonly used.
FYI, on 5-19-21, I received new factory steering arm, and started replacing it last night, I will advise with efficacy after install and test drive. I am intentionally, methodically replacing parts to see which part fixes problem.

Update of current status. Last night, I replaced steering arm, back to ORIGINAL pitman arm. Then I made an adjustment to steering box set screw, which tightens the steering, from what I understand. As a result, it DID tighten my steering wheel to the extent I could NOW feel a definite amount of PLAY in the steering wheel, which is about 2 inches, this coincidently was the amount of play I thought, but the steering was so loose I COULD NOT verify. So then I clamped vice grips at the location indicated by yellow arrow in picture. Then I had my son move the steering wheel back and forth but ONLY the distance equal to the play that is felt in the steering wheel, then I held the vice grips stationary, and my son said WOW you done something then, he said the "play" all most went away. So then I started looking for the play and seen the "pin" in the steering shaft collar had a CRAP TON of movement. NOT the pin itself, but the hole on each side of the of collar is elongated. Please see picture. The obvious corrective action is replacement, but I have already replaced this shaft one time, could I put a bolt through this hole to take care of this or is there a high performance one available? Any advice would be welcomed.
05-19-2021 07:03 AM
JeffBowser If, after all that, your steering is still loose, be advised that I went through two aftermarket steering gears that got just as loose as my original was until I broke down and bought a PSC steering gear. It's expensive, but....

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/p...gler/year/1997
05-18-2021 04:04 AM
wrightd
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Originally Posted by zackcj7 View Post
If you look at your pic just below where the tie rod and drag link intersect you can see on the axle housing where the track bar attaches. I see one hole closest to the passenger side open and a new hole closer to the drivers side that the track bar is bolted to. Nothing really wrong with how it is setup. You may want to get an adjustable track bar down the road, but I doubt it is a problem like it is as long as does not have play.

My advice is to get a factory style pitman arm and get it installed. You will likely have to readjust your drag link to recenter your steering wheel. Once the new pitman is on there should be a noticeable improvement.
WOW, I called myself looking that picture over trying to find that mounting point, to try to NOT to ask a question with an obvious answer. But I could not see it until you described it. I do have a factory pitman arm ordered, and I DO have a lot of play in my steering wheel. If that doesn't take care of all the play I will get an adjustable track bar to take care of the rest. I will update as parts are installed. Thank you VERY much.
05-18-2021 03:05 AM
zackcj7
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Originally Posted by wrightd View Post
Please explain, because I do. not have a clue.
If you look at your pic just below where the tie rod and drag link intersect you can see on the axle housing where the track bar attaches. I see one hole closest to the passenger side open and a new hole closer to the drivers side that the track bar is bolted to. Nothing really wrong with how it is setup. You may want to get an adjustable track bar down the road, but I doubt it is a problem like it is as long as does not have play.

My advice is to get a factory style pitman arm and get it installed. You will likely have to readjust your drag link to recenter your steering wheel. Once the new pitman is on there should be a noticeable improvement.
05-17-2021 08:07 PM
Mattific The person who installed the lift reused the oem track bar and drilled a new hole in the mount on the axle bracket to keep the axle centered under the jeep. Ideally you would want an adjustable track bar and use the factory location but that shouldn’t give you any issues if you leave it as it is and just replace the pitman arm
05-17-2021 07:32 PM
wrightd
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Originally Posted by zackcj7 View Post
Looking at your pic this has already been taken care of. I see an open bolt hole in the factory location and another bolt to the right of that.
Please explain, because I do. not have a clue.
05-17-2021 09:30 AM
zackcj7
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Originally Posted by wrightd View Post
So, just to be clear, you are saying, there needs to be a modification to the length and/or location of the front traction bar "in conjunction" with the installment of original pitman arm? Or in lieu of?
Looking at your pic this has already been taken care of. I see an open bolt hole in the factory location and another bolt to the right of that.
05-16-2021 08:12 AM
Mousejockey
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Originally Posted by wrightd View Post
So, just to be clear, you are saying, there needs to be a modification to the length and/or location of the front traction bar "in conjunction" with the installment of original pitman arm? Or in lieu of?
the Trackbar is suspension
When you lift the vehicle, you change the distance from the track bar frame mount to the axle mount, you either need to install an adjustable track bar or relocate the mounting location.

The Pitman arm is steering
The length change for the drag link is normaly done with the adjuster. You would notice your stering wheel has moved 'off center' after lifting
05-16-2021 07:47 AM
wrightd
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Originally Posted by Mousejockey View Post
With the lift the track bar will either need to be lengthened or relocated. One common practice is to drill another hole on the axle end 1" or 1 1/2" tward the drivers side. I forget which but someone will chime in and check to see if it has already been done
So, just to be clear, you are saying, there needs to be a modification to the length and/or location of the front traction bar "in conjunction" with the installment of original pitman arm? Or in lieu of?
05-15-2021 06:42 PM
Mousejockey With the lift the track bar will either need to be lengthened or relocated. One common practice is to drill another hole on the axle end 1" or 1 1/2" tward the drivers side. I forget which but someone will chime in and check to see if it has already been done
05-15-2021 09:07 AM
wrightd You know after thinking about it, like i said in my original post, I thought, my effort to correct steering issue had improved it to some degree, but when I was passenger, verses driving, I could see, I had NOT made ANY difference, I think I had become accustomed or de-sensitized to the steering issue over time. I had NOT replaced my pitman arm since I had it, so it would not have improved, which further validates this forums recommendations for original pitman arm. I will replace it and provide photos and update status of quality of steering afterwards.
I think this jeep had SO MANY issues when I bought it, that affected suspension, I thought suspension and steering was good, I sure hope an original pitman arm resolves my issue, this has almost beat me, but I have got this jeep almost as solid as any jeep I have had in the past, I love this jeep. If this does resolve this issue, it would serve as a repair/what to do or NOT to do during troubleshooting and repairing steering issue for future jeep owners, I offer my sincere gratitude and will advise status.
05-15-2021 08:54 AM
wrightd
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Originally Posted by TheBoogieman View Post
Put a stock pitman arm back on it and align the front end yourself (redneck style works best). All will be well again. I bought a Jeep with the same set-up and I couldn't even keep it in my lane when driving. $25 and an hour later, it drove perfectly.

p.s. Ditch the dual stabilizer too. It's fighting with the PS pump.
Please see photo of front end below. This gives me hope, I do not mind spending money on this jeep, my wife can verify this. ha-ha Since there has been multiple mention of a drop down arm verses the original causing the angle of the drag link in relation to front traction bar, I wont feel right about it unless I replace it with an original pitman arm, from your explanation, it will either fix my issue or eliminate it as a contributing factor, either way it gives me some direction. Does the picture look similar to your original configuration?
I will maintain, my dual stabilizer, ONLY in an effort to maintain my current configuration and so I am not changing so many things, I don't know what resolved my issue. But based on your explanation my intention is to put single stabilizer on after this PLAY issue is resolved, unless you think it is a contributing factor as well? Please advise.
05-15-2021 08:42 AM
wrightd
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Originally Posted by Mousejockey View Post
Hows the rear track bar look?
Is there a relocation bracket?
I will look today and provide photo.
05-15-2021 08:40 AM
wrightd
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Originally Posted by zackcj7 View Post
Do you still have the factory pitman arm? If so you should consider putting it back on.

The angle of the drag link in relation to the front track bar is very important. They should be as close to parallel as possible. Your drop pitman arm has most likely thrown that angle off.
Please see attached photo, I never had the original pitman arm, but I could purchase one if it is advisable. If I understand correctly, my drag link IS quite a bit lower than the curved portion front track bar, but seems to be parallel to the straight portion of front track bar. The factory pitman arm would bring the drag link upward towards the apex of the front track bar, is this where I should be with my drag link?
05-15-2021 08:32 AM
wrightd
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Originally Posted by Ironhead View Post
yep, thats a drop pitman arm which will cause bump steer in most scenarios.

x2 on going back to a single steering stabilizer. a dual stabilizer does nothing more than put additional stress on your steering pump
I have had 1 or 2 times where the steering kind of bind up, then was fine, I thought that may have been Autozone steering box that I put on it, but it literally was 1 or 2 times and no more, that has been 1 year ago. But now with the explanation of bump steer, that is what that must have been, do not know why it does not do it more, or consistently.
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