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|05-10-2021 03:22 AM|
Originally Posted by BagusJeep View Post
|05-10-2021 02:14 AM|
Originally Posted by DRT1 View Post
|05-09-2021 06:30 PM|
|DRT1||The family found more pics of the 4 door truck and the CJ, (orange/white stripe on white). Also thought i would share Hr. Houston's old Jeepers Jamboree jacket . The truck was actually an earlier build than I thought. The pictures have a develop date of Jun 73'.|
|05-08-2021 12:29 AM|
|DRT1||Thanks to Fairlane Phil's referral to the Glass City Crawlers facebook page. The word got out to the right person. I have been contacted by a gentleman who's father worked with Mr. Houston as Production Managers. He knows about these (what he called) pilot Jeeps. Before anyone chimes in that these are not Super Jeeps, they are not, not like you are accustom to seeing. One could respond,, yes they are,,,, unlike any that have been seen, tailgate, different stripe color combinations, automatic transmission, they were just not suppose to exist and only one still does. Nothing about this Jeep is wrong, it is exactly how they built the pilot. Hopefully this gentleman will find this thread and share some history. Like i said opening this thread, "Everybody likes a good Jeep story!"|
|05-07-2021 09:51 PM|
I owned and restored a 1973 304 V-8 Super Jeep in the early 2000's and did a lot of research on them. They were only made in 1973, did not have tailgates (like the Renegades), could be ordered with 6-cylinder or 304 V-8, had chrome bumpers (like yours) and had custom 2-tone bucket seats. Here's a few pictures of my 47,000 mile Super Jeep that was sold to a collector in Italy.
That is definitely an authentic Super Jeep you have there but I can't explain the Turbo 400 automatic. AMC did a bunch of weird stuff back in the day that was not well documented, as a few have noted per above. It would definitely be worth looking into. Cool find....let us know what you discover!
|05-07-2021 03:42 PM|
Originally Posted by DRT1 View Post
Every piece of documentation I've seen agrees with these characteristics, so I'm not going to believe a magazine cover, being the one exception, is the rule. They very well could have put stickers on a non-SJ. It doesn't have the correct front bumper either.
Originally Posted by T Hoff View Post
|05-05-2021 08:33 AM|
|T Hoff||I'm guessing '74 or '75. I think those two years had Wiper motor mounted outside of windshield. Yeah my 350/350 turbo trani has a way short drivedhaft. Yeah bars keep the axle from torquing and beating up the U joints|
|05-05-2021 07:33 AM|
|Steelman||Great thread...very interesting!|
|05-05-2021 12:29 AM|
I love... "You can't do that!!" stories! -- You have the Best One, DRT1 !!
My 89 XJ now has a 96 fuse panel, steering column, and brake booster/master cylinder (from my cannibal-vehicle.) With some 'custom-fitting', I figured out how to make the parts work.
The 'upgrade' to 96 front brakes was easy. The only snag was that front hubs for the right "year[-group]" are needed for 96-[group] rotors. The splines fit the 89 Dana-30 parts/yoke, but the centering-hole for the rotor is a slightly different size.
|05-04-2021 05:32 PM|
Join Glass City Crawlers on FB. They are the ones that started Jeepfest in Toledo. Lots of employees. Ask on that group, someone may know some old timers
|05-02-2021 11:12 AM|
|RiverandSand||I love stories like this, unfortunately these kinda things are hard to substantiate without someone with first hand knowledge, to bad no one documented his story before he passed. If true (I believe it) this could be very rare find. These things did/do happen all the time by the auto manufacturers, R&D vehicles were/are a good way to test out ideas before it went into production. Jay Lenos Garage had a whole segment on factory "projects". I would contact Collins Bros and tell them the story and see if they have any insight on this.|
|05-02-2021 12:59 AM|
They did have tailgates, black top and black dash pads!! I don't think this magazine would order a CJ5 and put a stripe kit on it just to call it a Super Jeep to do a test, in July of 1973. From all of my research, I did not think you could get a black top and dash pad or tailgate either. My eyes are telling me that yes you could... this cover could be misleading but this is very interesting. I think i will search for this issue of ORV&A.
EDIT;; This magazine cover is interesting but has no bearing on the project that I am working on because this jeep never was and never will be a recognized SJ. It has never had a VIN# or Build Tag. I do think it was meant to be a SJ just like the one on the mag cover, but without build tag, no go. The three things an SJ must have are the SSR&O of D5596, one of the correct Stripe and Paint Codes (6 avail), and one of the trim codes (2 avail). My project is a factory R&D prototype from, best guess 1974, which happens to have started its life out with plans to be a SJ,, plans change.
|05-01-2021 11:53 PM|
|CSP||I don't know that I'd call either of them Super Jeeps, just because of the stripes which were likely found as leftovers in an AMC parts department. The SJ was a 73 only model and was more than just the decals. The seats were one off, the dash pad and visors were white and they didn't have tailgates just like the intermediate year Renegades.|
|05-01-2021 07:52 PM|
|DRT1||The children of Mr. Charles have it, it has never left the family. This is a factory project jeep never VIN'ed, there is no correct or incorrect paint or striping. We can speculate that there was to be a 74 super jeep and there would be an options change, different striping, tail-gate etc.., but due to nobody wanted them, jeep gave him one of those to cut on instead of the Renegade that were in demand. Or,, Mr. Charles wanted the automatics to be different,,, who knows. No speculation, i am attempting to nail this down and need some help to get people talking about it. This forum is helping . I like the conversation. Per the family that drove the jeep from new in the 70's up until it was stepped out of in the driveway in 92', both daughters and a son of Mr. Charles, the only thing that has been replaced since dad brought home is seats, tires and maybe radiator. It has a bondo repair on the driver side rear door opening and an Ah-ooo-Gah horn under the hood. I have got to ask about the glove box, if there was ever a door on it or not. Mr. Charles apparently was a Jeep R&D Engineer, he also built a long bed Crew Cab J20 in 1975-76. Used it for a family vacation, brought it back and had to crushed it, no VIN on it either. I started a thread about it in the Full Size Jeep Forum but i will post a pic of the truck here. Manufactures don't like non VIN vehicles to leave their eye. When i worked for a Tier 1 GM supplier we had fully functional vehicles on the plant floor, SUV's to Corvettes, when we were through building parts for that model, GM would send a rep down and watch that vehicle be completely destroyed with sledge hammers and cutting torches. They did not have VIN's so they could not be donated or used for any purpose. That also makes most all claims about non VIN vehicles hear-say, I have a tough task...but an open mind. Gonna be a fun build either way. Thanks for the comments and keep them coming!!|
|05-01-2021 08:15 AM|
Originally Posted by keith460 View Post
(M38A1?)... and yes, that rear driveshaft WAS short (even with the lift)!
They did make 10 super jeeps in 1976, as part of the bicentennial, mostly for PR work and the show circuit, and we're all red/white/blue, with blue levis denim interior and no tailgate.
I know the decals were available from the dealership, perhaps the original owner simply applied the super jeep decals to his stock (modified) jeep (especially since they are the orange/white option,
which were only installed on the yellow jeeps). Are there any remnants of the rest of the super Jeep options? White interior, dash pad, visors, etc?
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