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02-26-2018 12:28 AM
pmarascal
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Originally Posted by propped1 View Post
Dontjust throw parts at it.... Seen lots of guys do that. Upgrades for the sake of upgrades is not a bad thing, but you cant know what to upgrade with bad steering til you know exactly whats wrong. If you dontknow anyone, join a club and ask people what shops they go to?
Thanks for the replies man, I guess I kinda knew the answer all along (there is no magic answer without checking each part ). There are plenty of actual 4x4 shops out here which is new to me and should make it easier than taking it to some regular old Auto Repair. The timing of all this just couldn't have been worse, hence why I threw some new parts on that maybe didn't quite need it yet. Was trying to hurry and get rid of the problem for sure before I made the move, but oo well. Such is life.

Question though - You say unit bearings, I'm assuming thats wheel bearings? We didn't feel much play by yanking on the wheels but again, winter driveway 'mechanics' at that point lol. I'm gonna be pissed (and relieved) if that ends up being the problem considering I had those (and shafts) all pulled out while I did the ball joints haha.

Anyways, just gotta schedule a day to get it into the shop, thanks again! One day I'll learn to stop renting city places without a proper garage to work in.
02-20-2018 08:13 AM
propped1
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Originally Posted by pmarascal View Post
I did the work that's why it was only somewhere around 1K. I had checked it out a bit before taking it to the shop, and thought I felt some play in both of the tie rods and potentially some ball joint stuff (but this was with crowbar in the snow so not professional opinion lol). I didn't go stock with anything, but unfortunately had terrible planning (this all happened like 1.5 weeks before moving) so kinda had to pick and choose what I could get in a short time. Nothing top of the line though, some synergy parts (and have other receipts but at work).

The alignment came back pretty decent, but there was a problem with one of my front tires where the camber is off 3/4 of a degree and the guy tried to tell me it would need an adjustable ball joint if I wanted it to be corrected fully, never heard of such a thing but didn't think 3/4 of a degree would kill me am I an *** for assuming?

The trackbar is all new with it's 2 grease fittings, had to do the whole thing because on the stock one because 1 joint isn't replaceable from stock.

I'll have to get it in somewhere and give them the story and have them help check shocks, bushings, & wheel bearings etc. Just started a new job and not knowing anyone around here I can't / won't have much time to poke around well enough. Thanks for the advice guys! At least I finally got death wobble on one of my jeeps
Camber being off, Id look at unit bearings before going adjustable BJs. A bad unit bearing can definitely cause a wobble. On a JK only thing that can cause camber issues are bad ball joints, bad unit bearings, bent axle, or bent Cs. I changed mine out when I went regear and chromos and one of my axles was seized in the bearing... I wanted the axles for spares and took quite a bit of beating to get it off. Went timken. The only thing stock on my front axle right now are the knuckles. 07 102K. The only wobble Ive ever experienced was low speed on one specific bump, and turned out it was a dead stabilizer. Ima cliche haha. But there could be 40 things that would cause or contribute to wobble.

Dontjust throw parts at it.... Seen lots of guys do that. Upgrades for the sake of upgrades is not a bad thing, but you cant know what to upgrade with bad steering til you know exactly whats wrong. If you dontknow anyone, join a club and ask people what shops they go to?
02-19-2018 10:36 PM
pmarascal I did the work that's why it was only somewhere around 1K. I had checked it out a bit before taking it to the shop, and thought I felt some play in both of the tie rods and potentially some ball joint stuff (but this was with crowbar in the snow so not professional opinion lol). I didn't go stock with anything, but unfortunately had terrible planning (this all happened like 1.5 weeks before moving) so kinda had to pick and choose what I could get in a short time. Nothing top of the line though, some synergy parts (and have other receipts but at work).

The alignment came back pretty decent, but there was a problem with one of my front tires where the camber is off 3/4 of a degree and the guy tried to tell me it would need an adjustable ball joint if I wanted it to be corrected fully, never heard of such a thing but didn't think 3/4 of a degree would kill me am I an *** for assuming?

The trackbar is all new with it's 2 grease fittings, had to do the whole thing because on the stock one because 1 joint isn't replaceable from stock.

I'll have to get it in somewhere and give them the story and have them help check shocks, bushings, & wheel bearings etc. Just started a new job and not knowing anyone around here I can't / won't have much time to poke around well enough. Thanks for the advice guys! At least I finally got death wobble on one of my jeeps
02-19-2018 09:13 PM
StuieG I'm in Australia and we are right-hand drive, so may be a little different, but to overcome my death-wobble I replaced both front wheel-bearing/hub assemblies as they had slight play in them, both upper and lower ball joints as both sides lowers had a bit of free-play in them and every single bush front and rear i changed for poly-bushes.

Had the wheel-alignment done and its been great ever since!

Hope that helps?
02-19-2018 10:10 AM
propped1
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Originally Posted by pmarascal View Post
Well it's my 3rd jeep (YJ, TJ, and now 07 JKU) and I finally got some death wobble. Anyone have any thoughts (or know a good 4x4 shop near Denver, new to the area)?

So I first got the death wobble going over some random bumps maybe a month+ ago, drove it for like 2 more weeks and never felt it again although it woke me up to how my bump steer and overall stability has slowly gotten worse. I was moving across country so decided to try and fix it before I left.

So a shop pointed out a few things (ball joints, 1 tie rod end, a half hung up caliper, and recommended a steering stabilizer as well). So I got on my buddys lift and went for it, replacing:
  • New tie rod (both ends)
  • New drag link (both ends)
  • All 4 front ball joints (btw f ball joints )
  • Both front calipers, rotors & brakes
  • Put on a new steering stabilizer for fun
  • Then got it aligned by a 4x4 shop

So immediately I wasn't so sure it felt right, but eventually chalked it up to a combo of winter winds and not being used to how 'tight' it was when correcting for my aggressive tires. It didn't really wander or bump-steer much but more little shimmy w/ wind/road that I had to correct back and forth to calm down. So I towed a small trailer and drove from NY to CO (hit ice storms, was terrible btw ).

Again it doesn't quite feel right to me but still thinking I'm just not used to not worn out steering plus navigating a new city is nerve wracking with a big jeep. Anyway last night after work I'm going maybe 20 and hit these potholes near my house and BAM death wobble worse than I remembered. ****ing not cool after $1K + 2 days in a [mostly] front end rebuild.

So what should I be looking at next? Steering column, gearbox/pitman? I'll climb under tonight and see if anything loosened up, but we did that when we arrived in CO. 2 damn shops already gave it a look over and I thought this problem was behind me. Exactly what I dreaded about notorious death wobble and why I spent extra to just replace everything in the first place. I'm lifted ~2.5-3 inch and on 35s and haven't had a problem in 2.5 years with it.
Here are a couple things missing: Whats the alignment printout say? What control arms you got? What trackbar you got? What Shocks you got? How old is all this stuff??

What did this shop do with your trackbar? visually inspect? Take it off? Is this a serviceable trackbar?

Are your shocks dead? How old? Can unbolt from axle and test them.

If factory control arms, your caster is too shallow.

It sounds like this shop had you throw a lot of money at this but this shop sounds like they didnt have you upgrade parts. Did they say why you needed a draglink? They replace with stock stuff? Rotors, calipers, drag, TR, stabilizer on mine is all over $1000 just in part cost. If the 1K includes their labor, they threw stock stuff at it. What brand stuff did they rec?
02-17-2018 07:16 AM
cranbiz Look for loose bolts and worn out bushings in everything, including control arms.

How are your tires? Good pressure, tread and balance?
02-16-2018 06:33 PM
pmarascal
Death Wobble and Steering Issues

Well it's my 3rd jeep (YJ, TJ, and now 07 JKU) and I finally got some death wobble. Anyone have any thoughts (or know a good 4x4 shop near Denver, new to the area)?

So I first got the death wobble going over some random bumps maybe a month+ ago, drove it for like 2 more weeks and never felt it again although it woke me up to how my bump steer and overall stability has slowly gotten worse. I was moving across country so decided to try and fix it before I left.

So a shop pointed out a few things (ball joints, 1 tie rod end, a half hung up caliper, and recommended a steering stabilizer as well). So I got on my buddys lift and went for it, replacing:
  • New tie rod (both ends)
  • New drag link (both ends)
  • All 4 front ball joints (btw f ball joints )
  • Both front calipers, rotors & brakes
  • Put on a new steering stabilizer for fun
  • Then got it aligned by a 4x4 shop

So immediately I wasn't so sure it felt right, but eventually chalked it up to a combo of winter winds and not being used to how 'tight' it was when correcting for my aggressive tires. It didn't really wander or bump-steer much but more little shimmy w/ wind/road that I had to correct back and forth to calm down. So I towed a small trailer and drove from NY to CO (hit ice storms, was terrible btw ).

Again it doesn't quite feel right to me but still thinking I'm just not used to not worn out steering plus navigating a new city is nerve wracking with a big jeep. Anyway last night after work I'm going maybe 20 and hit these potholes near my house and BAM death wobble worse than I remembered. ****ing not cool after $1K + 2 days in a [mostly] front end rebuild.

So what should I be looking at next? Steering column, gearbox/pitman? I'll climb under tonight and see if anything loosened up, but we did that when we arrived in CO. 2 damn shops already gave it a look over and I thought this problem was behind me. Exactly what I dreaded about notorious death wobble and why I spent extra to just replace everything in the first place. I'm lifted ~2.5-3 inch and on 35s and haven't had a problem in 2.5 years with it.

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