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06-02-2015 11:10 AM
Partsmke
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Originally Posted by CSP View Post
No, they were lengthened 5". I have front fenders and hoods from both eras and the difference on each is 5", measured from rearmost edge to frontmost edge.

The additional length in the fenders wasn't made only between the rear edge to the beginning of the fender opening.
My point was the extended length from the body to the wheel opening matches the extended length of the wheelbase. I'll admit I've never measured the two and you have, something else to add to my treasure trove. I've used the 72 up grille that allows more room for a decent radiator on an older 5 but never measured the hood or fenders.
06-01-2015 09:18 AM
CSP
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The fenders were lengthen 3.5", you can actually measure it from the body edge to the fender opening.
No, they were lengthened 5". I have front fenders and hoods from both eras and the difference on each is 5", measured from rearmost edge to frontmost edge.

The additional length in the fenders wasn't made only between the rear edge to the beginning of the fender opening.
05-31-2015 06:30 PM
Newbjeep
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Originally Posted by Partsmke View Post

The fenders were lengthen 3.5", you can actually measure it from the body edge to the fender opening.
The gas tank was moved in 1970.5, the same time that CJ Dana 44's went to one piece 30 spline axles. 70 also marked the 1st year that CJ's received the red white and blue AMC logo on its Jeep badge.
1972 CJ got Saginaw steering and swing pedals, 72 only used a clutch cable connected to the pedal, this became a silent recall that replaced the cable with rod style linkage used from 73-75.
1968 was the first year for low mounted windshield wipers but still used the same glass as early CJ5/6. 1969 they went to the taller glass. The 68 frame can be modified to the taller glass found in years 69-75.
My 72 had the bell crank set up I think that was more of a they put what they had in them
05-31-2015 01:01 PM
Partsmke
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Originally Posted by Agar426 View Post
Yeah, as I noted earlier, I blew it on the gas tank. Even after I typed it, I knew I had it wrong. Tried to rectify, but y'all beat me to it! I corrected my original post.

As for the hood/fender length increase, I got the 5" from my Jeep books, and also found it online to verify before I typed (should have done that with the tank!). There is a lot of good and bad info out there, so I definitely could have pulled some bad data....

Either way, great thread. I own an intermediate CJ-6 and have already learned from this thread....I dig that.
I forgot the 1970-71 Renegade that didn't have a tailgate. I owned an early CJ6. I did the unthinkable, I shortened it down to 81" wheelbase. That was in the 60's and short was best, TruTrac was the only tire you could find and at 31" tall the longer wheelbase had high center issues. Military was the first to use the 101" wheelbase on the G503 ambulance.
05-30-2015 06:57 PM
Agar426
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Originally Posted by Partsmke View Post
The fenders were lengthen 3.5", you can actually measure it from the body edge to the fender opening.
The gas tank was moved in 1970.5, the same time that CJ Dana 44's went to one piece 30 spline axles. 70 also marked the 1st year that CJ's received the red white and blue AMC logo on its Jeep badge.
1972 CJ got Saginaw steering and swing pedals, 72 only used a clutch cable connected to the pedal, this became a silent recall that replaced the cable with rod style linkage used from 73-75.
1968 was the first year for low mounted windshield wipers but still used the same glass as early CJ5/6. 1969 they went to the taller glass. The 68 frame can be modified to the taller glass found in years 69-75.
Yeah, as I noted earlier, I blew it on the gas tank. Even after I typed it, I knew I had it wrong. Tried to rectify, but y'all beat me to it! I corrected my original post.

As for the hood/fender length increase, I got the 5" from my Jeep books, and also found it online to verify before I typed (should have done that with the tank!). There is a lot of good and bad info out there, so I definitely could have pulled some bad data....

Either way, great thread. I own an intermediate CJ-6 and have already learned from this thread....I dig that.
05-30-2015 04:17 PM
Partsmke
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Originally Posted by Agar426 View Post
Some other items that came about with the AMC modifications in '72 were the addition of:

1) Swing pedals
2) Saginaw steering
3) Gas tank moved from under the seat to under the Jeep ('73 forward I believe)
4) Interesting note about the increase in length....the wheelbase was lengthened by 3", but the fenders and hood were lengthened by more...closer to 5". This is why '72-'86 CJs have kind of an overbite look from the side as compared to earlier CJs
The fenders were lengthen 3.5", you can actually measure it from the body edge to the fender opening.
The gas tank was moved in 1970.5, the same time that CJ Dana 44's went to one piece 30 spline axles. 70 also marked the 1st year that CJ's received the red white and blue AMC logo on its Jeep badge.
1972 CJ got Saginaw steering and swing pedals, 72 only used a clutch cable connected to the pedal, this became a silent recall that replaced the cable with rod style linkage used from 73-75.
1968 was the first year for low mounted windshield wipers but still used the same glass as early CJ5/6. 1969 they went to the taller glass. The 68 frame can be modified to the taller glass found in years 69-75.
05-29-2015 04:10 PM
Newbjeep I really like this thread especially having a 72 it's nice to learn all the little quarks of the intermediate
05-29-2015 04:02 PM
Agar426
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The gas tank move took place in mid-70 actually.
It didn't look right after I typed it, so I went to look it up and you beat me to it! I corrected my post, don't want to confuse anyone with my mistake.
05-29-2015 03:07 PM
CSP The gas tank move took place in mid-70 actually.
05-29-2015 02:11 PM
Agar426 Some other items that came about with the AMC modifications in '72 were the addition of:

1) Swing pedals
2) Saginaw steering
3) Gas tank moved from under the seat to under the Jeep ('70.5 forward)
4) Interesting note about the increase in length....the wheelbase was lengthened by 3", but the fenders and hood were lengthened by more...closer to 5". This is why '72-'86 CJs have kind of an overbite look from the side as compared to earlier CJs
05-29-2015 01:04 PM
texasdave The intermediates come about when American Motors bought Jeep. AMC installed their motors and this caused some length to be added to the frame. AMC retooled in 1976 and it stayed the same until 1986. AMC also introduced the 1st CJ-7 in 1976.
05-29-2015 12:54 AM
chevy71super It is more difficult to find minor parts for intermediates but most "major" drive train parts are available. With creativity and a lot of searching the internet I have found most of what I need. I have a 75 which has the first fuse panel of any CJ. The 75 also had a stouter frame compared to the other intermediates. (Advantage over the 76+ is that they are not nearly prone to rust.) The most frustrating part is finding a decent top if you don't care for the Bestop option. (Which I don't) The original top manufacturere went out of business in the mid 80's.
05-28-2015 09:51 PM
CSP Only the V8s had the catalytic convertor though.
05-28-2015 08:35 PM
Partsmke 75 also had a unique transmission/transfer case cross member, it connected to the top of the frame as well as the bottom using two separate brackets on each side connected to the bottom one piece cross member. It also was the first CJ that required a catalytic converter.
05-28-2015 11:50 AM
Pathkiller
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The cover on my '75 is welded on. I've never paid attention to any other '75s, but I was kinda surprised to see that when I bought it.
Yeah, 75 was the first year of the welded cover. Up to then they were bolted on. Came in handy a couple of weeks ago on my 74 when I had to pull the cover off the transmission. About 5 minutes to pull the trans tunnel cover.
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