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07-24-2005 09:23 AM
davenjeip You might want to check out the Skid Row NightCrawler modular bumper.

I've had mine on for about a month, or so, and have been very happy with it.

It is winch ready and includes brackets to attach a strap and/or D-Ring to. I can also keep my factory tow hooks, which is very important to me. There are marker lights in the bumper, simular to the ARB, as well as rock lights in the corners to illuminate the corners for night wheeling. You can get either a reciever hitch or a skid plate for the front.

These are the best pics I have, so far, so please ignore my little alignment problem .

The lights are not installed here and neither are my fogs. I also plan on painting the grey powdercoat a different color. The skid plate is behind my license plate.



07-24-2005 08:59 AM
RubiconSS As far as the Loktite question, I drizzle it on and let the bolts sit upside down while I work. It runs down the threads.
Now as I stated before I'm not in a position where I think I need to defend ARB (they're big boys) BUT I will comment in the vein of where these threads tend to go and that is toward the rediculous.
One gentleman had a bad experience w/his ARB and I think that is ashame. I wasn't there so to comment on the nature of what caused the damage is fool hardy.
I researched bumpers and as I've said already. LOTS of nice bumpers out there. I don't really see why everybody has to trash one and make another sound like it was the panacea.
If I were interested in just slammin on trails, I would probably get a piece of I beam and bolt it to the front of my friggin' jeep.
I'm not a design engineer specializing in the field of Vehicle Design nor is anybody I can tell thats weighing in on all this technical BS.
There is more to designing a bumper than how thick your steel is, Duh. Otherwise there would be I beams. I beams are cheap and relly strong. As long as you don't use jet fuel to burn one it would probably make a pretty good bumper IF all you had to worry about was thickness and weight of material.

Can't we agree that there are different tastes and perceived needs in bumpers and leave it at that?

As far as our fellow jeeper with the unfortunate luck in choosing women and friends. Trully sorry about that one. Rest assured judgement day comes for all and that brand of behavior exacts a particularly nasty penalty I would think.

If I ever run across them I'll let you know how my ARB held up.
07-24-2005 06:52 AM
bobhaverford
Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewMuadDib
Nope, never used PSC - I said it was a full width. Shrockworks is building my full width - it will be out on the market soon.

I'm 9,000 miles away from home in paradise .... wait, I mean Iraq, where, for the past 19 months my wife has been having an affair with my now ex best friend. My Jeep was one of the many things held hostage.

Go to College Station, Texas, find the Inca Gold 03 Rubicon covered in mud, ARB front, Garvin rear tire seing, ARB snorkel and look at the ARB.

That's the best I can do for you.
Man I wish we lived in different times. I'd go to College Station, Texas and beat the crap out of your old best friend, who richly deserves whatever crap in life comes his way. And if its any consolation, believe me, crap WILL come his way.

God Bless you and our troops. God Bless America!
07-23-2005 11:21 PM
ONE JEEPBRO
Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewMuadDib
Nope, never used PSC - I said it was a full width. Shrockworks is building my full width - it will be out on the market soon.

I'm 9,000 miles away from home in paradise .... wait, I mean Iraq, where, for the past 19 months my wife has been having an affair with my now ex best friend. My Jeep was one of the many things held hostage.

Go to College Station, Texas, find the Inca Gold 03 Rubicon covered in mud, ARB front, Garvin rear tire seing, ARB snorkel and look at the ARB.

That's the best I can do for you.
Wow. I am TRULY sorry my friend. We all appreciate what you are doing over seas, so keep up the good work. I for one LOVE America, and can't say enough about you folks keeping us safe and protecting our FREEDOM.

As for the drive to Texas, I live in CA, so I think I'll be skipping that, but I'll take your word for it. By the way, I know it's of no consolation, but I'm sure there will be plenty of military lovin women back home for ya when you get home!

Thanks again,

Shawn
07-23-2005 10:41 PM
AndrewMuadDib
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1jeepbro
Got a picture of your crumpled 5 mile an hour impact? I keep hearing from a "few" that the bumper is weak, but I still haven't seen anyone show some pic's of some FIRST HAND proof. I've seen a few ARB's beat to crap on trails, one that hit a deer (not a bambie) at about 40 MPH, and they looked none the worse (not counting the blood and guts). I'm not personalizing this to you, I've yet seen one that has crumpled as you describe yours.

So you've ran Poison Spyder's new bumper? I know Hansen has been around, but it's interesting that you are vouching for a bumper that just came out in June of this year. Not that I have a problem with PSC, I have a Full Cage from them and love it. Then again, maybe you have an insiders edge?

Shawn
Nope, never used PSC - I said it was a full width. Shrockworks is building my full width - it will be out on the market soon.

I'm 9,000 miles away from home in paradise .... wait, I mean Iraq, where, for the past 19 months my wife has been having an affair with my now ex best friend. My Jeep was one of the many things held hostage.

Go to College Station, Texas, find the Inca Gold 03 Rubicon covered in mud, ARB front, Garvin rear tire seing, ARB snorkel and look at the ARB.

That's the best I can do for you.
07-23-2005 06:31 AM
marcopolo
ARB bar

"Center of mass of kangaroos is very low, center of mass for deer are very high. You need a strong bumper to keep on trucking after hitting a deer, and after seeing my ARB crumple like tinfoil I know I don't ever want another one."



I'm not so sure about a kangaroo being a low centre of gravity, some of the larger ones can stand 6 foot in height, and also they tend to "hop" across the road in front of you which can increase their height. I have ARB bar on my jeep, and on my previous 4wd a Suzuki i had a ARB bar and hit a "roo" not a single mark on the car! Boy was i glad I had one because I was in the middle of know where and had I seriously damaged the car i would have been stranded.
07-23-2005 05:48 AM
kaybone
Quote:
Originally Posted by RubiconSS
Congrats! Wait til' it arrives and you get the whole show. Box the size of a coffin, the finish quality and the "behind the bumper" structure.
Take your time. Think what you want to do. I taped mine off and used a good quality undercoat (that dries hard) not required because the same high quality multi-step powdercoat finish is on the back as well as the front.
Lines right up to factory holes, I used some lok-tite (medium).
If you are mounting your OEM fogs you will need to extend the pig tails. Use a Dremmel tool to remove the little "nub" on the bottom of the lite.
I tied my bumper lites into the side markers, don't worry - when you get all hooked up there will be no dimming.
When you put loctite on your bumper bolts, do you put smear the loctite on the threads, or a stripe across the head &washer, or both?
07-23-2005 01:10 AM
ONE JEEPBRO
Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewMuadDib
Better = higher quality materials - thicker steel, and a stronger design. The ARB uses 1/8" steel in a nice wavy pattern that imparts no strength. Many other bumpers are designed for much greater strength and nearly all use 3/16" steel.

The ARB brags about airbag compatibility, and all the testing, which I fell for. What they don't tell you is if you take a hit between the framerails below 5 mph you should plan on replacing the bumper and winch. It's not a weak design - it's a REALLY weak design. Any hit outside of the framerails you stand a much better chance of being ok - that's the good news. Also, 85 pounds isn't much, although I don't remember mine being nearly that heavy. Maybe I grew stronger.

If you're looking for a strong full width - look to Poison Spyder, Hansen, and others, I know Shrockworks will have one out in a few months. They are better designed and stronger than the ARB. You pay for 3 letters with an ARB, not groundshaking quality.

Center of mass of kangaroos is very low, center of mass for deer are very high. You need a strong bumper to keep on trucking after hitting a deer, and after seeing my ARB crumple like tinfoil I know I don't ever want another one.
Got a picture of your crumpled 5 mile an hour impact? I keep hearing from a "few" that the bumper is weak, but I still haven't seen anyone show some pic's of some FIRST HAND proof. I've seen a few ARB's beat to crap on trails, one that hit a deer (not a bambie) at about 40 MPH, and they looked none the worse (not counting the blood and guts). I'm not personalizing this to you, I've yet seen one that has crumpled as you describe yours.

So you've ran Poison Spyder's new bumper? I know Hansen has been around, but it's interesting that you are vouching for a bumper that just came out in June of this year. Not that I have a problem with PSC, I have a Full Cage from them and love it. Then again, maybe you have an insiders edge?

Shawn
07-23-2005 12:30 AM
TQ_xvi Road Armor
www.roadarmor.com

Runs about 560 (+Shipping)

07-22-2005 11:32 PM
AndrewMuadDib
Quote:
Originally Posted by 55willystruck
While the bullbar from ARB is not the most inexpensive front bumper out there, there is definitely a few very good reasons for that, as someone else mentioned above. ARB takes the safety of you and your vehicle very seriously. Those that spout off that there are better bumpers made for cheaper is a pretty tough statement to make-I question how they are any better. Yes, you will definitely find cheaper, but could somebody please define "better" for me when it comes to a bumper?

My guess is that weight is going to be one of the first thoughts to someone that considers anything else "better". ARB is heavy-and I believe the 85 lbs. comment above is a little on the conservative side-mine weighs in at almost 100 lbs. exactly. So, yes, you will definitely find lighter as well. Does that make it any better? I don't know-does it? For those looking at the ARB bullbars and considering any of the alternatives, please take the time to look further into the research and development that goes into an ARB bullbar. If you can find it, look at the extreme testing that is done-stress, fracture and crumple as well as crash testing.

Also, the bullbars are designed for impact with kangaroos-which consequently weigh in about the same as a deer here. The bullbar is designed to take the impact and transfer the energy through the chassis, again, so your air bags don't blow. Will a regular piece of channel, or square tube do that? Who knows. My rig is a daily driver that also sees heavy off-road use. I like the idea that the bumper will take the impact of a deer that are all over around here, and should I hit one-will not blow my airbag and have insurance deem my Jeep "totalled" because of it. For me, the research, development and testing is definitely worth the cost. Plus, I also think it looks great on the front, holds my XD9000i just perfect and also fits my IPF 900XS lights for nightime highway driving across the mountain passes. For me, the bullbar works great and is what I would consider the "best" for my needs. For a rockcrawler though, it would definitely NOT be the best for his/her needs. Something smaller, lighter, more compact would be more beneficial there, and probably be "best" for that situation. I'd recommend thinking about what exactly you want out of the bumper, what you will do with it, and go from there.

Off my soap box now, Best of Luck with whatever you decide!!!

Mike
Better = higher quality materials - thicker steel, and a stronger design. The ARB uses 1/8" steel in a nice wavy pattern that imparts no strength. Many other bumpers are designed for much greater strength and nearly all use 3/16" steel.

The ARB brags about airbag compatibility, and all the testing, which I fell for. What they don't tell you is if you take a hit between the framerails below 5 mph you should plan on replacing the bumper and winch. It's not a weak design - it's a REALLY weak design. Any hit outside of the framerails you stand a much better chance of being ok - that's the good news. Also, 85 pounds isn't much, although I don't remember mine being nearly that heavy. Maybe I grew stronger.

If you're looking for a strong full width - look to Poison Spyder, Hansen, and others, I know Shrockworks will have one out in a few months. They are better designed and stronger than the ARB. You pay for 3 letters with an ARB, not groundshaking quality.

Center of mass of kangaroos is very low, center of mass for deer are very high. You need a strong bumper to keep on trucking after hitting a deer, and after seeing my ARB crumple like tinfoil I know I don't ever want another one.
07-22-2005 10:25 AM
RubiconSS Congrats! Wait til' it arrives and you get the whole show. Box the size of a coffin, the finish quality and the "behind the bumper" structure.
Take your time. Think what you want to do. I taped mine off and used a good quality undercoat (that dries hard) not required because the same high quality multi-step powdercoat finish is on the back as well as the front.
Lines right up to factory holes, I used some lok-tite (medium).
If you are mounting your OEM fogs you will need to extend the pig tails. Use a Dremmel tool to remove the little "nub" on the bottom of the lite.
I tied my bumper lites into the side markers, don't worry - when you get all hooked up there will be no dimming.
07-22-2005 09:45 AM
bobhaverford
Looks like Quadratec is the cheapest

Currently the non-winch version is listed at $579. That's about $50 cheaper than I've been able to find it anywhere else. I've gone ahead and ordered it because I've actually seen this bumper and it is pretty much exactlly what I am looking for. The other options are also very nice but for my need now I'll go with the ARB. Thanks again for all the input.

If anyone finds it cheaper please post here as this would be a good thread to trach the lowest price.

Thanks again.
07-21-2005 10:07 PM
runmanpkll a couple months ago i sold my ARB bullbar (TJ/winch style) and was curious how much it weighed. i never weighed it before i put it on so this was the chance to actually put it on a scale. mine weighed 77 lbs.

its a great bumper and i beat and ground on it on the rocks pretty hard. i replaced it with a currie shorty for more approach angle & less weight (currie weighed in at 43 lbs) but sometimes i miss my ARB. around here the trail access roads are very tight (trees/saplings) and at times you need to move off the access road to let other groups go by. with the bullbar i didnt have to worry about fender damage from saplings but with the currie i do.
07-21-2005 05:24 PM
55willystruck While the bullbar from ARB is not the most inexpensive front bumper out there, there is definitely a few very good reasons for that, as someone else mentioned above. ARB takes the safety of you and your vehicle very seriously. Those that spout off that there are better bumpers made for cheaper is a pretty tough statement to make-I question how they are any better. Yes, you will definitely find cheaper, but could somebody please define "better" for me when it comes to a bumper?

My guess is that weight is going to be one of the first thoughts to someone that considers anything else "better". ARB is heavy-and I believe the 85 lbs. comment above is a little on the conservative side-mine weighs in at almost 100 lbs. exactly. So, yes, you will definitely find lighter as well. Does that make it any better? I don't know-does it? For those looking at the ARB bullbars and considering any of the alternatives, please take the time to look further into the research and development that goes into an ARB bullbar. If you can find it, look at the extreme testing that is done-stress, fracture and crumple as well as crash testing.

Also, the bullbars are designed for impact with kangaroos-which consequently weigh in about the same as a deer here. The bullbar is designed to take the impact and transfer the energy through the chassis, again, so your air bags don't blow. Will a regular piece of channel, or square tube do that? Who knows. My rig is a daily driver that also sees heavy off-road use. I like the idea that the bumper will take the impact of a deer that are all over around here, and should I hit one-will not blow my airbag and have insurance deem my Jeep "totalled" because of it. For me, the research, development and testing is definitely worth the cost. Plus, I also think it looks great on the front, holds my XD9000i just perfect and also fits my IPF 900XS lights for nightime highway driving across the mountain passes. For me, the bullbar works great and is what I would consider the "best" for my needs. For a rockcrawler though, it would definitely NOT be the best for his/her needs. Something smaller, lighter, more compact would be more beneficial there, and probably be "best" for that situation. I'd recommend thinking about what exactly you want out of the bumper, what you will do with it, and go from there.

Off my soap box now, Best of Luck with whatever you decide!!!

Mike
07-21-2005 04:50 PM
RubiconSS I researched the M.O.R.E. bumper. Wasn't an inexpensive bumper by any stretch.
I may be confusing it with another (I looked at a lot of bumpers) I thought it was in the $560 range (unfinished) + S&H.
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