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Yesterday 11:49 PM
RARECJ8 The supplied spacers on the more brace are a pita. We talked them in place for an easy install. Brace in place.
Yesterday 05:25 PM
tchagnon79 I recently converted my '78 CJ5 from manual to power steering using the H1 box. I went with the SB7686 bracket and everything lined up perfect once installed. I did have to purchase 4 longer bolts from my local hardware store though, which was annoying. The bolts MORE supplied with the bracket to steering box were just a tad to short to reach the steering box. You may not have that problem. The bolts that went to the frame were fine. I will say that removing the old bracket was the biggest pain. 2 out of the 3 bolts that went into the bottom of the frame broke off on me, even after soaking them in PB Blaster for weeks. I eventually was able to get them out. My suggestion is to use an ATF and acetone mixture to soak the bolts. It was way more effective for me then PB Blaster. I used that mixture on the bolts on the other side of the frame to install my MORE brace and the bolts came out easier and didn't break. Just take your time removing the bolts, work them back and forth and they should come out. I also replaced by shaft with Borgeson and did replace the lower steering column bearing with the Wolff Engineering M109SS. The hardest part I had with the bearing was removing the original. Eventually just gave up and cut it off with a dremel.
Yesterday 11:50 AM
StoneTower See if you can do a search for the MORE box mount. I remember doing this when I was deciding what brand to buy and I found some personal install experiences and opinions. I have the stock location version and like it (installed when I did the H1 box). I remember reading that you need to notch the front crossmember in order to install the version that moves the steering box forward. You may or may not need a longer steering shaft. I had pruchased a Flaming Rivers deluxe shaft that is splined and it was made for the moved frorward box and I had to shorten it to make everything work. Your power steering lines may hit the crossmember when they are moved forward. Check into these things before you make the jump.

If you are going to make the changed you listed in the future, it is probably the time to bite the bullet and do whatever it takes to install the bracket that moves the box forward. I hate to do things only to have to do them again later. You have to remove the driver's shackle hanger in order to remove the old steering box bracket and install the new one. If you have not had your bracket off before, start soaking it with penetrating oil many days in advance before you attempt this job. I live in California and have very little rust problems and I broke one of the bolts off in the frame even after days of penetrating oil.

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I have a Lares 1430 steering gear (H1) that I want to install in my near stock 1985 CJ-7 soon. Which M.O.R.E. Steering gear mount should I order? They have the SB7686 and SB7686-1. I guess the first number is for a stock rig. The -1 is for when you have moved your axle forward, because it moves your steering gear forward 1 1/4”. I’m guessing the -1 is for those who have converted to YJ springs, but I’m not sure. I called MORE and they are not answering the phone due to the corona virus.

What else should I order before I plan on doing this bolt on conversion?

I called Borgeson and talked to them about the shaft and I will order one if needed, but I am not sure if I need one. My Jeep drives fine like it it, the steering is almost too sensitive. But once I get used to it, it seems to drive fine. Is there a symptom I would be looking for that would determine if I need a new shaft? Why is everyone replacing there shafts?

I believe I’ve read about a Bearing that folks are replacing when they are in there as well. Can someone please educate me on everything required to do the H1 steering gear swap?

And for the record I will be doing a SOA conversion in about a year or so. I may be moving my front axle forward for more wheel base when I do that. But for now, my plans are to run the stock suspension and my 31’s with my new motor soon (hopefully).

Thanks in advance.
Yesterday 10:20 AM
Axhammer I have a Lares 1430 steering gear (H1) that I want to install in my near stock 1985 CJ-7 soon. Which M.O.R.E. Steering gear mount should I order? They have the SB7686 and SB7686-1. I guess the first number is for a stock rig. The -1 is for when you have moved your axle forward, because it moves your steering gear forward 1 1/4Ē. Iím guessing the -1 is for those who have converted to YJ springs, but Iím not sure. I called MORE and they are not answering the phone due to the corona virus.

What else should I order before I plan on doing this bolt on conversion?

I called Borgeson and talked to them about the shaft and I will order one if needed, but I am not sure if I need one. My Jeep drives fine like it it, the steering is almost too sensitive. But once I get used to it, it seems to drive fine. Is there a symptom I would be looking for that would determine if I need a new shaft? Why is everyone replacing there shafts?

I believe Iíve read about a Bearing that folks are replacing when they are in there as well. Can someone please educate me on everything required to do the H1 steering gear swap?

And for the record I will be doing a SOA conversion in about a year or so. I may be moving my front axle forward for more wheel base when I do that. But for now, my plans are to run the stock suspension and my 31ís with my new motor soon (hopefully).

Thanks in advance.
03-25-2020 07:02 PM
CJeep86 I bought and installed the Lares from Rock Auto and I'm really happy with it. I highly recommend the Borgeson steering shft with the vibration dampener too. I tried sending the CJ box back as a core but they didn't accept it.
03-24-2020 11:47 AM
cpadget My '83 was 100% bolt on. x2 on Borgeson shaft, also 100% bolt on.
03-23-2020 08:42 PM
AndrewUVM
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Originally Posted by GP_Pete View Post
Rockauto. It is a Lares 1430. Their core charge is high, but hopefully they take my stock one back. We will see. I was browsing around looking for parts for the swap - and low and behold they had 3 in stock. I was pretty shocked. I jumped on it - even with the high core charge cause i knew i might now find another. Ive been looking for a while.

Got the MORE mount, new PS hoses, new steering shaft upper bushing kit. Man i sure hope this is Ďreallyí bolt on. [emoji1787]


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If youíre running a stock steering shaft, I recommend upgrading to a Borgeson at the same time.
03-23-2020 07:09 PM
GP_Pete
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GP_Pete, where were you able to find the box and what brand or rebuilder is it? Just curious since they've been hard to find.

Rockauto. It is a Lares 1430. Their core charge is high, but hopefully they take my stock one back. We will see. I was browsing around looking for parts for the swap - and low and behold they had 3 in stock. I was pretty shocked. I jumped on it - even with the high core charge cause i knew i might now find another. Ive been looking for a while.

Got the MORE mount, new PS hoses, new steering shaft upper bushing kit. Man i sure hope this is Ďreallyí bolt on. [emoji1787]


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03-23-2020 05:05 PM
CJeep86 GP_Pete, where were you able to find the box and what brand or rebuilder is it? Just curious since they've been hard to find.
03-22-2020 09:19 PM
cpadget Good luck. I will be curious to hear how it turns out. Game changer for mine.
03-22-2020 04:15 PM
GP_Pete All ready to do this. Been soaking bolts in pb blaster. Probably start tomorrow.




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03-10-2020 10:43 PM
dmoore_64 Does anyone know if the m.o.r.e. heavy duty bracket will work on the older jeeps? I have a 74 cj5 with manual steering, and am going to be doing the H1 upgrade to power steering, and I am only able to find the heavy duty brackets that list for 76 and up. Has anyone tried to use them on older jeeps?


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11-08-2019 05:40 PM
cpadget Great picture. Legitimate activity to say the least!!!
11-08-2019 03:44 PM
RARECJ8 First weld repair to get into camp. Was drizzling ice cold rain. Ugh. Observation Point. Then into rubicon springs for a more thorough repair.
11-08-2019 03:38 PM
WSS [quote=RARECJ8;40785633]
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Originally Posted by cpadget View Post
Wowzers!!! I will be curious to hear how it turned out compared to current setup[/QU



Present is the OEM box that came with jeep in 81. Will keep it as a spare...

Using a late model pump with the restrictor drilled out for better flow. This is the last frontier as itís the last untouched part of the heep. No leaks but since engine is out (oil analysis came back explaining the sudden serious tap tap tap sound-full of aluminum and babbit material) might as well upgrade steering.

Plus the never ending frame repair. There is now a brace from OEM box to pass frame and it is cracking pass frame rail from stresses. Ultimately hydro assist will alleviate much of that. Had to weld up to get out of rubicon in September.

I am sure you have heard this before but "Luck favors the prepared"

WSS
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