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post #1 of 33 Old 09-08-2009, 10:02 PM Thread Starter
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JK total frame replacement after accident

so here's one I haven't been able to find in the search... I have an '08 Unlimited Rubicon, 15K miles. Drove 5000 miles this summer from NY to Colorado & back to go wheelin with hardly a scratch.. came home, parked in front of my house and overnight someone hit me head on... my Mopar winch bumper looked like it took a good hit and saved the Jeep, but now after being in the body shop a couple of weeks I've been told I need a new frame! The frame got racked down the drivers side, even the body mounts on the rear are stressed! Of course my insurance company wanted the body shop to straighen the frame, but my guy is good and got them to approve a whole new frame. Anyway, has anyone been through this? seen it done? will everything ever work right again?

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A total frame replacement? Why didn't they just total it? That is everything (body, engine, tranny, axles, you name it, off and on) - good luck with having it all done right. Sorry, just my 2 cents worth - I would get them to total it and start over.

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A total frame replacement? Why didn't they just total it? That is everything (body, engine, tranny, axles, you name it, off and on) - good luck with having it all done right. Sorry, just my 2 cents worth - I would get them to total it and start over.
I tried to have it totaled... My insurance company needed 75% of it's value to total it, and apparently a new frame is about $2500 plus 40+ hrs of labor still doesn't bring it even close.

I have thought about trading it in after the repair, I figure I'm going to take a financial hit on it eventually...

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A total frame replacement? Why didn't they just total it? That is everything (body, engine, tranny, axles, you name it, off and on) - good luck with having it all done right. Sorry, just my 2 cents worth - I would get them to total it and start over.
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Replacing the frame is the strangest thing i've ever heard of. Who's the insurance company?

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Replacing the frame is the strangest thing i've ever heard of. Who's the insurance company?
Allstate... the original adjuster didn't even want to cover the Mopar bumper.

Anyone I've ever known that's had their car or truck "straightened" after an accident has always had long lasting problems. I guess if they do the job right, the new frame should make it good as new. I hope.

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wow, thats insane... I would drop allstate immediately after you get it repaired.... I cant believe they didnt total it the cheap bastard... I have Pekin Insurance and they are great, I wrecked a motorcycle last year, not bad at all either...the plastic was damaged but it had a scratch on the frame so they totaled it

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The front (replaceable) portion of each side rail is designed to crush before the rest of the frame deforms. I wonder why that didn't happen on yours. (Not the crush cans. The front portion of the rails.)

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40 hours to pull everything off the frame and replace it? Kinda makes me wonder about the estimator...any thoughts on the total labor? I don't question the frame, but the labor would seem like a lot more than 40 hours - the body would lift off, but gotta hold the engine up and the axles have to come off and be re-installed...geez, better know what they are doing.

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Also, what does replacing the entire frame do to the title of your vehicle?

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40 hours to pull everything off the frame and replace it? Kinda makes me wonder about the estimator...any thoughts on the total labor? I don't question the frame, but the labor would seem like a lot more than 40 hours - the body would lift off, but gotta hold the engine up and the axles have to come off and be re-installed...geez, better know what they are doing.
the 40hrs wasnt just pulled out of the air or a guess lol.....there are books, well now its all on computer, but its known as book time, every past on every vehicle has a book time of how long it will take to be replaced R&I removed and reinstalled, R&R removed and replaced. Replacing the frame really isnt that big of a deal, but I am surprised they couldnt straighten it.. The books and software are made by a company called MOTOR, they've been around FOREVER and every and body shop uses them as do the insurance companies. Some companies that use the same shops over and over have deals worked out with them for better labor rates. Body shops arent raking any insurance company over the coals so to speak, but if you go in there to have your car repainted out of your own pocket, they most likely arent going by any book time..
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I wouldnt worry the jeep will be as good as new if its a competent shop and to talk the insurance company into a new frame they do sound like they know what they are doing. These guys replace parts every day of the week, the frame is just a big part lol. I've seen it done before, its just a lot more nuts and bolts. Taking the body off is the simplest part, heck some of the shops doing Hemi swaps lift off the body in 45min. Do you have a lift? If not you should get one and have them put in on the new frame for you

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Have them extend your trans and tcase vents then they have the body off. Its real easy at that point. Great time for a body lift too.

I apologize ahead of time, but the smart a$$ in me can't resist. Good thing Jeep put those crush cans on the bumper, or things would have been a lot worse.

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Good luck with the frame replacement. Here are some pictures of my wifes JK after getting rear ended on the high way

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Also, we have allstate insurance and it was a real pain. I did not feel like I was in good hands. Eventually it got totaled but it took like 5 weeks. Then another couple of weeks to get money from them.

One thing my insurance told me is that if the shop says it can't be reliably fixed then the insurance will consider it totaled. So if the shop says even with a new frame it won't ever drive correctly and they won't be able to stand behind there work and therefore they refuse to fix it, insurance should consider that totaled. at least that is what I was told.
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Replacing the frame would not be that big of a deal for a shop. I would think 40 hrs would be a conservative figure and there would be no reason it would not drive as good as new if they do it right. There is not that much to swap frame wise.




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I have always liked that set of pictures.
You can see the front portion of the rails, from the round cross member forward, that are designed to collapse before the rest of the frame deforms. Those two sections are available as replacement parts.
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Yeah it isn't that hard to pull the body off the frame. I've seen a few threads, not sure they were on here, of people lifting the body off to do a hemi swap. Much easier with the body off the frame. I believe it only takes a few hours to actually get the body off. The rest of the labor would be the engine, driveline, suspension, and wire harnesses.

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