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post #1 of 36 Old 02-12-2013, 01:35 PM Thread Starter
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I found this story in the Motor Authority iPhone app:

Atop the wish list for many Jeep Wrangler owners is one simple request: build our beloved, go-anywhere SUV with a diesel engine option. Not only would a diesel Wrangler offer up greater fuel economy on road, but it would deliver an extended range off-road, too, presenting a win-win scenario for hardcore off-roaders.

As The Detroit Free Press points out, a diesel Wrangler may soon be a reality, but there’s still one final hurdle to clear. To justify the expansion of Jeep’s diesel product offerings, first the new diesel-powered Grand Cherokee must prove to be a commercial success.

The Grand Cherokee diesel uses a Fiat-sourced 3.0-liter EcoDiesel V-6, rated at 240 horsepower and a stump-pulling 420 pound-feet of torque. On the highway, the diesel version will deliver up to 32 mpg, a gain of 9 mpg over the gasoline-powered 3.6-liter V-6 Grand Cherokee, or 11 mpg better than the current 3.6-liter Jeep Wrangler.

While there’s no doubt that a 30+ mpg Wrangler would have appeal, it’s not clear if buyers would be willing to shell out the additional cost that the diesel engine dictates. That’s why Jeep is using the more expensive Grand Cherokee as a barometer to gauge customer interest in diesels.

If you want a Jeep Wrangler diesel, then, it’s in your best interest to convince all your neighbors to buy Jeep Grand Cherokee diesels, and preferably as soon as they hit dealerships.

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post #2 of 36 Old 02-12-2013, 04:18 PM
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That's really a bad way to gauge interest. The people who buy grand cherokee's don't usually cross shop to a wrangler and vice vesa. What they are saying if the luxury crowd doesn't want them they assume us off roaders won't either, which is wrong! We want them! It would also boost their average fuel economy figures for the brand.

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Totally buy but the price of the new grand would probably be twice what I paid for my used 2008 jku. I will play the lottery alot hoping I win and it will be my first purchase!

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That's really a bad way to gauge interest.
I agree. After all, the liberty once offered a diesel. Just because it didnt set record selling numbers doesn't mean that Jeep owners dont want a diesel option.
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not gonna hold my breath. even if they do come out with a new wrangler diesel its gonna have so much epa crap all over it i dont know if ide even want to touch it.
Would rather just have a 4bt or 6bt in my current JK.
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post #7 of 36 Old 02-12-2013, 09:56 PM
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EPA has killed the diesel. Research DPF on diesel's, they suck. I have on my F250 and magically it knows when I am almost home and it begins the cleaning cycle. I generally like to let it finish so that's 20 extra minutes of driving around while it injects diesel into a filter and super heats it to clean the soot out. My gas mileage usually goes from 13-14 to 10 during that process. You can bet the wranglers will have a DPF as well.
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I wouldn't be surprised if diesels become more common than they are now. It isn't hard to miss many clear advantages to them. With epa regulations getting harder to meet diesels can offer mileage advantages over gasoline engines allowing manufacturers to have an easier time passing them.

However with rising popularity you can bet the epa will gimp them fast.
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EPA has killed the diesel. Research DPF on diesel's, they suck. I have on my F250 and magically it knows when I am almost home and it begins the cleaning cycle. I generally like to let it finish so that's 20 extra minutes of driving around while it injects diesel into a filter and super heats it to clean the soot out. My gas mileage usually goes from 13-14 to 10 during that process. You can bet the wranglers will have a DPF as well.
If i ever did get a diesel wrangler it would be a fight shortly there after because all that emissions stuff would have to go and then ide have to find ways to bypass all the sensors and such to keep it running properly.
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They make them now, they just don't sell them here. A lot of people like the idea of a diesel, myself included, but our thinking is more along the lines of the old simple, run forever with nothing more than oil changes, diesels. Modern diesels are very complicated which adds a lot to the purchase price and requires a lot more maintenance. If you crunch the numbers in often takes a lot of miles(like 50K or 60K) before the diesel starts paying for itself. As gas prices go up the equation changes in favor of the diesel, but at $4 a gallon we aren't there yet for me.
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If i ever did get a diesel wrangler it would be a fight shortly there after because all that emissions stuff would have to go and then ide have to find ways to bypass all the sensors and such to keep it running properly.
I have a h&s mini max in my closet. I am waiting till I am within a year of my warranty expiring before I install it. I had to hurry up and buy it because EPA (sucks) laid the smack down on H&S, they banned the dpf delete kits. Teach me to wait if I would have bought it a month earlier I could have saved $200. They are now selling for $2000 instead of $900 ish.
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I'd have to crunch all the numbers before I'd go with the smoker. 400 ft lbs in a Jeep platform, isn't going to be put to good use anyway. 30 mpg sounds great, but how much more is the diesel engine going to cost over the 3.6? Oil changes, fuel filters, maintaince, and higher fuel costs are also factors. The epa has for now, ruined the diesel fun. That Pentastar is a heck of an engine, and what I'll probably go with if the diesels do appear soon.
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I am not sure if this is the right forum for this reply - I was going to open an Ice Cream shop in Hawaii or California, but thought I would test the concept in Alaska first to see if it was a good idea. I did try it first in Minnesota, but was only really busy for half the year...

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I am not sure if this is the right forum for this reply - I was going to open an Ice Cream shop in Hawaii or California, but thought I would test the concept in Alaska first to see if it was a good idea. I did try it first in Minnesota, but was only really busy for half the year...
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thats what i always wondered about all the people howling for a diesel. do they know it will prob add a few grand to the price? thats a huge risk for a manufacturer to take and it's not really fair to ask any manufacturer to produce it for the few thousand that would actually buy it. a cheaper alternative might be a small V8 which would be interesting but u would obv lose the mileage and some of the torque.

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