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View Poll Results: Diesel vs Gas Wrangler. What do yo prefer
Gas motor. 40 25.64%
Diesel motor. 102 65.38%
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post #16 of 61 Old 11-04-2009, 04:51 PM
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more torque- most importantly! so better for wheeling, especially rocks and climbing.
Gears. There is a point where you just break stuff. The 3.8L has enough grunt in 4 lo now.


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also more efficient, so better mpg.
True, but not always cheaper to run. Oil changes cost more, maint cost more, fuel can be so much more expensive that the fuel mileage does not matter.

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plus you get that cool black cloud of smoke when you stomp on it
Just what 4 wheelers need. Another reason for the eco-nazis to shut down our trails.


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Diesel, Michigan weather ???...I will stick with what I have
My neighbor has a TDi Jetta and Diesel F-350... I don't even see him having an issue.

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agree. I am in MI and know plenty of diesel owners. No problems from what they say.

start saving money for that too

sign me up or for the diesel swap once its here you can get as a crate motor.
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In very cold weather the diesel fuel will gel. I have seen truckers chipping a hole in it so that they can put in adatives to help melt it. If you are lucky it will just plug your filters, and not the lines and fuel rail. I deal with it every winter by adding about 25% of diesel #1 to the tank after the station has blended thier fuel. I do this when the temp. is going to be in the teens or lower. You must also plug in a diesel motor to keep it warm or it will not start. I would love a factory V8 but would stay away from the diesel if you live or wheel where it gets very cold.
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In very cold weather the diesel fuel will gel. I have seen truckers chipping a hole in it so that they can put in adatives to help melt it. If you are lucky it will just plug your filters, and not the lines and fuel rail. I deal with it every winter by adding about 25% of diesel #1 to the tank after the station has blended thier fuel. I do this when the temp. is going to be in the teens or lower. You must also plug in a diesel motor to keep it warm or it will not start. I would love a factory V8 but would stay away from the diesel if you live or wheel where it gets very cold.
Thanks for the background music...I fully agree..
My son has a F250 with a Navistar and he has a lot of "procedures" to follow during very cold weather..Also diesels are not your favorite engines for short trips/runs..Anyway diesels are work horses, their torque curves require a lot of correct shifting to ride the peak of the curve otherwise you loose the power..
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their torque curves require a lot of correct shifting to ride the peak of the curve otherwise you loose the power..
I thought the reason for alot of shifting was there limited Rpm's and also turbo spool. The torque curve is normally pretty flat on a diesel.

Here in Ohio the "procedures" for starting a diesel is wait for the glow plugs and crank it over.

Also the only time you normally have gel-ing issues is with summer diesel, they make a winter mix that prevents gel-ing of the fuel.

I am no expert on this, but did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once.

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As a long haul truck driver of about 15 years I'm finding all this diesel gloom and doom stuff kinda funny...
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As a long haul truck driver of about 15 years I'm finding all this diesel gloom and doom stuff kinda funny...
Yeah I get a kick out of it too. Diesels have advanced about 15x in technology in the last 15 years. They are also more reliable compared to gassers. Hundreds of thousands of miles on a diesel is standard these days.

So yeah I would buy a diesel Wrangler I wanted one for a while.

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Now that a diesel wrangler is going to become a reality instead of a fantasy (for some) let's hear some discussion of what you prefer.

Personally I'm a gas fan due to the quicker throttle response and performance. I think the diesel will be a cool option but I think that a gas motor does better in the sticky mud.
I have the 2.8CRD Turbo in a Liberty and thanks to its electronically controlled variable geometry turbo, it is surprisingly responsive.

I would love to have one in a manual trans Wrangler.
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Gears. There is a point where you just break stuff. The 3.8L has enough grunt in 4 lo now.




True, but not always cheaper to run. Oil changes cost more, maint cost more, fuel can be so much more expensive that the fuel mileage does not matter.













Just what 4 wheelers need. Another reason for the eco-nazis to shut down our trails.
I doubt it will smoke, won't be able to meet emissions requirements if it does....

You can also alleviate some of the maintenance cost if you do your maintenance yourself....

I sort of agree with your first statement...with proper gearing, the 3.8 gets the job done, but doesn't come with proper gearing imho...

Let's all face it, the main reason we are finally getting a diesel is to help with CAFE numbers....but I am sorely tempted...the wife and I are already planning on one for her, after they have been out a year....she doesn't want to be a guinea pig either...

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their torque curves require a lot of correct shifting to ride the peak of the curve otherwise you loose the power..
that's why they add Turbos to them.

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well if its on a blog on the interwebs it must be true!

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Having owned Diesels in the past I am sort of neutral here. I owned the best Diesel Car ever made, Mecedes 300D and on the other end of the spectrum possibly the worst diesel ever made the 1982 GMC 6.2L Diesel.

The 3 things going against all diesels are:

#1 Price of Diesel Fuel... High Taxes make it more $.
#2 Price of Diesel Vehicles typically a $2500 - $5000 premium
#3 New Diesel emissions requirements that rob about 20% of the power.

Don't forget that with the new owners it may be a FIAT diesel truck engine and transmission they end up using not the Mercedes Engine / Transmission currently in the Euro JK.

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As a long haul truck driver of about 15 years I'm finding all this diesel gloom and doom stuff kinda funny...

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Yeah I get a kick out of it too. Diesels have advanced about 15x in technology in the last 15 years. They are also more reliable compared to gassers. Hundreds of thousands of miles on a diesel is standard these days.


AGREE TOTALLY

my neighbor has a diesel in his dodge has 300k on it. He uses it to plow snow. He is buying new one cus the truck itself is falling apart from the salt he uses, not the engine. (in mich). He doesnt plug it it. the fuel doesn't gel. it is 2009 and we are not talking about diesel engines in huge semi's.


If you use bio diesel then maybe but it is a mixture so it won't gel.. And now they don't react to the starting and stopping like they use too.

if you haven't owned one or know someone who owns one than you need to do some research on the diesel engines they put in light trucks and passenger cars now

its a far cry from even 10 years ago.

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The problem with putting a diesel in the wrangler is not that it is a diesel.

It is they will put a comparable hp/ torque diesel in the wrangler so they don't have to change the axles or the transmissions. If they put a 300 hp/ 600+ torque diesel in it with dana 60 front and rear then it may be worth it to buy it. But if they are going to put a 160 hp/ 275 lbs torque crap in it then I don't see any advantage to buying one. I would rather see a small V8 gas engine in it.

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