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post #76 of 103 Old 08-26-2012, 07:17 PM
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I understand. It seems like a patch instead of a true fix since it will now start in any gear. Sorry to bother. Checking out.
its all good. Honestly I have zero concern about starting in other gears other than park. I don't disagree..but what is a true fix for this issue? A new TRS? I have been combing the internet for months looking for a solution..and this is the only one that has worked...Jeep hasn't even pin pointed a solution (that I have seen).

Honestly happy as hell that their is a solution out there. For the individuals that are concerned about starting in a gear other than park...you can get in touch with VEGASROBBI and the Co he represents and buy the bypass switch for 100 clams...which I am fully confident it will work. This is because I did the ground fix myself. Maybe I might even go that route. Two days ago I had no interest spending more $ on the JK chasing demons.

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post #77 of 103 Old 08-26-2012, 08:03 PM
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I understand. It seems like a patch instead of a true fix since it will now start in any gear. Sorry to bother. Checking out.
It's not a fix or a patch, it's a way to identify the issue.

I have seen dealers and independent shops throw parts at intermittent no crank problems at the cost of the customer. This is a simple low cost test to narrow down the possibilities.

Since the neutral safety should remain functional you have two choices I know of.

One, replace the TRS with a new one, it requires transmission teardown and fluid replacement. Keep the fluid clean and the transmission cool and the TRS will last longer.

Two, we offer the external solid state TRS which can be mounted in the cab. It requires no transmission teardown but does require installation. Our switch puts out a digital signal so it does not wear out over time. It is also infinitely programmable for shift lever position due to wear and adjustment.

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post #78 of 103 Old 10-06-2012, 01:17 AM
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A month ago, I took my Wrangler Unlimited 08 to the dealership to fix the intermittent starting problem(single click). Mentioned the Star Case but they said the grounds were good. Pulled the car out of the dealership and paid them $100 for trying to figure out the problem. It was getting nowhere. Complained to Chrysler and was assigned a case manager. All I got was apologies. I took it to my mechanic and he did the ground wire work. Car started fine for a month and flat spot on my throttle was gone. Today, it wouldn't start. I was kind of shocked. I turned the key a couple of more times. I don't remember hearing the single click this time. I tried shifting to Neutral but the shift lever was stuck in Park. I grabbed the shift lever and tried to wiggle it a bit. I cranked it again and it started. After starting it was kind of hard to shift out of Park (after 3rd or 4th try). I shifted to Drive and tried to start, it would not start and I didn't hear a click. This is the same sympton that I had when it was in Park. It started for the rest of the day with no problems. Can anyone give me any suggestions on what this might be? Linkage, WCM, TRS, Neutral Safety switch,...??? For those that can shift the lever into Neutral, how do you do that? On mine, the Shift lever is stuck on Park until the car starts. I turn the key until the ignition is on and try to shift to Neutral but can't.
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A month ago, I took my Wrangler Unlimited 08 to the dealership to fix the intermittent starting problem(single click). Mentioned the Star Case but they said the grounds were good. Pulled the car out of the dealership and paid them $100 for trying to figure out the problem. It was getting nowhere. Complained to Chrysler and was assigned a case manager. All I got was apologies. I took it to my mechanic and he did the ground wire work. Car started fine for a month and flat spot on my throttle was gone. Today, it wouldn't start. I was kind of shocked. I turned the key a couple of more times. I don't remember hearing the single click this time. I tried shifting to Neutral but the shift lever was stuck in Park. I grabbed the shift lever and tried to wiggle it a bit. I cranked it again and it started. After starting it was kind of hard to shift out of Park (after 3rd or 4th try). I shifted to Drive and tried to start, it would not start and I didn't hear a click. This is the same sympton that I had when it was in Park. It started for the rest of the day with no problems. Can anyone give me any suggestions on what this might be? Linkage, WCM, TRS, Neutral Safety switch,...??? For those that can shift the lever into Neutral, how do you do that? On mine, the Shift lever is stuck on Park until the car starts. I turn the key until the ignition is on and try to shift to Neutral but can't.
A couple of things. The real "click no start" problem is due to a problem with the TRS. So far, I have not seen anyone who had this problem and replaced their TRS report that it didn’t fix the problem. The "ground" solution works for many, but not all because that's not the problem.

The next thing is shifting to Neutral. [Something I learned a long time ago working on cars - if you have to force something that should go on/come off easy then re-think what you are doing and don't force it]. The Jeep has a safety feature so you can't put it into Neutral unless you have the ignition on AND your foot on the brake. If you turn the ignition on and put your foot on the brake, and push the button on you your shifter, you should easily be able to move it into Neutral.

Starting in Drive - it's never supposed to start when you have it in D - no click, nothing.

If you still have the "click no start" problem you can do a few things.

1. When it happens again slide it into Neutral and start it that way. It's a free solution that has worked for years for many. Sometimes you may have to slide it back to Park to get it to start, but it always seems to start. When you slide the shifter it moves the crappy TRS and "cleans" it so it works.

2. You tried the "ground" solution. Maybe an even better ground may work, but doesn't sound likely for you.

3. Get that TRS replacement switch that VEGASROBBI is talking about.

4. Replace your TRS.

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Just wondering if anyone has fixed this issue? I have a 2008 manual and had same problem summer 2013, they fixed the starter claiming a piece inside was cracked.. Worked all winter not a problem.. This past week it did the infamous single click again.. Hoped it was nothing but next morning same thing.. 4 tries and it started.
Debating selling it just so I don't get caught in bad spot with no start.. But I love my jeep.. Finally got one and would prefer to keep it. Help please!
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post #81 of 103 Old 08-26-2014, 07:40 PM
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Any comments on what the problem is for jeep not starting, mine will do this some of the time, already replaced the starter just like you all have done, no luck here. Need answers.
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Hello everyone,
This is my intro to JeepForum and also to join the starting issue topic. I would like to come up with a plan of attack since my jeep is out of commission as far as I know. After work today, upon attempting to start, I had the clutch all the way down, good illumination on the dash, twisted key and clicking then it kills power. Tried various hacks in the parking lot to get a different response, the results were not improving.
I had to find some volunteers to assist in clutch-starting my 2007 w 74k on it. On the way home, I stopped at the auto parts store to see about testing the charging & starting system. While doing so, they concluded my starter was "dead," and that the battery was at 60%. It ironically and hesitantly started back up at the parts store. I'd really like to understand if trying to resurface the connections and wires is worth it or if replacing the starter all together may be a realistic fix. I'm going to check the ground wires in the AM before work to see if the previous owner may have had experience with this issue and doubled ground the system. My girlfriend also has an '07 and hers sounds weak to start like mine did just prior to leaving me stranded. I'd really like to isolate this, asap since its my DD and also level-1o annoying. Thanks for any help!
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Hello everyone,
This is my intro to JeepForum and also to join the starting issue topic. I would like to come up with a plan of attack since my jeep is out of commission as far as I know. After work today, upon attempting to start, I had the clutch all the way down, good illumination on the dash, twisted key and clicking then it kills power. Tried various hacks in the parking lot to get a different response, the results were not improving.
I had to find some volunteers to assist in clutch-starting my 2007 w 74k on it. On the way home, I stopped at the auto parts store to see about testing the charging & starting system. While doing so, they concluded my starter was "dead," and that the battery was at 60%. It ironically and hesitantly started back up at the parts store. I'd really like to understand if trying to resurface the connections and wires is worth it or if replacing the starter all together may be a realistic fix. I'm going to check the ground wires in the AM before work to see if the previous owner may have had experience with this issue and doubled ground the system. My girlfriend also has an '07 and hers sounds weak to start like mine did just prior to leaving me stranded. I'd really like to isolate this, asap since its my DD and also level-1o annoying. Thanks for any help!
Checked: battery cables, looks like the Negative line has multiple grounds attached to the sidewall which may indicate the prior owner had the poor grounding issue rectified. (or is this normal?) I also looked underneath for any grounds on the engine/trans, all "appeared" to be intact. Lastly, I unplugged the only connector visibly accessible underneath on the starter and plugged it back in. It felt more secure once I pulled on the plug again. Started up a little weak but on the first try. Still feeling anxiety about getting stranded. C'mon Jeep! Act right!
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post #84 of 103 Old 08-28-2014, 10:16 AM
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Never neglect the basics when chasing doen a starting problem. For example, and not to be a smart @$$, a battery at 60% needs to be dealt with first. Check battery connections, cable condition, etc. before jumping to the exotics of the JKs Can-Bus system, TIPM, etc. We saw this recently with an early JK, where a guy spent hours chasing all the web fixes he could find. Turned out the positive cable was loose at the battery terminal.
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post #85 of 103 Old 12-30-2014, 10:15 PM
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digging up old bones...my 2010 will not click, wont start..has been sitting for 3 days now..battery checked good, starter checked good, added 3 new 4awg ground wires, nothing..dash lights up..evrything on the jeep works except it will not crank. i can run a 12v wire from battery to switch side of starter while someone is "cranking" the jeep and it will fire up. the day before this all happened I went to crank the jeep and it was like the starter was hung turning the motor over even after the jeep cranked..i killed it waited a few minutes..and it fired back up..then i could not shift out of park..i had to use the release by the shifter handle...next morning..nothing..and it has been that way now for 3 days...i am out of options..any suggestions?
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Can you shift out of park now? Or are you still having an issue with it not shifting out of park?

I had a loose wire on my starter that gave me intermittent starting issues and baffled me for a while. It was the small wire on the starter.
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Can you shift out of park now? Or are you still having an issue with it not shifting out of park?

I had a loose wire on my starter that gave me intermittent starting issues and baffled me for a while. It was the small wire on the starter.

It will shift now..but initially I had to use the release...

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digging up old bones...my 2010 will not click, wont start..has been sitting for 3 days now..battery checked good, starter checked good, added 3 new 4awg ground wires, nothing..dash lights up..evrything on the jeep works except it will not crank. i can run a 12v wire from battery to switch side of starter while someone is "cranking" the jeep and it will fire up. the day before this all happened I went to crank the jeep and it was like the starter was hung turning the motor over even after the jeep cranked..i killed it waited a few minutes..and it fired back up..then i could not shift out of park..i had to use the release by the shifter handle...next morning..nothing..and it has been that way now for 3 days...i am out of options..any suggestions?

Have you tried resetting the system via the J13 fuse trick? Open the underhood fuse box (TIPM) locate the big white dual fuse holder J13. Pull up on it until it stops, wait about 60 seconds, push it back down. See if it starts and everything works. If so you need to have a dealer do the wireless control module update. It's a Service Action and will likely be done for you FOC. If this is your issue, what happens on pre-2011 mdels is that static in the key blade spikes the security system, which in turns causes the system to go into lock down mode. For the Service Action they will install a new Wireless Control Module (WCM) and reflash your keys.

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Have you tried resetting the system via the J13 fuse trick? Open the underhood fuse box (TIPM) locate the big white dual fuse holder J13. Pull up on it until it stops, wait about 60 seconds, push it back down. See if it starts and everything works. If so you need to have a dealer do the wireless control module update. It's a Service Action and will likely be done for you FOC. If this is your issue, what happens on pre-2011 mdels is that static in the key blade spikes the security system, which in turns causes the system to go into lock down mode. For the Service Action they will install a new Wireless Control Module (WCM) and reflash your keys.

Have not tried this but I will put it on my list of options to try!! Thanks!!
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It will shift now..but initially I had to use the release...
Sounds like maybe the brake switch then. Maybe? That would make it not start once moved out of park.

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