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post #1 of 29 Old 05-21-2017, 09:41 PM Thread Starter
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Slow response to turning steering wheel

Last year I replaced the steering gear box on my TJ. After fighting with it for a loong time I got it all apart. I probably whacked the tierod a couple times. Now when setting back up I was low on fluid but filled it up in mere moments.

After the repair, my steering is whacked. While driving down the road the Jeep will start to drift right or left (normal road reaction). When I try to correct there is a sloppy gap between when I steer and it actually reacts. At that time it seems as though it over reacts to my input.

There doesn't seem to be any play in the steering when we did a dry test. But having it low on fluid wouldn't cause damage in the box that would cause this right? Perhaps I whacked the tie rod in a bad way when fighting to get the box out?

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post #2 of 29 Old 05-21-2017, 10:48 PM
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Is the PS pump whining? Did you bleed the system afterward?

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Did bleed it and no whining at all. Everything seems fine other than the obivious issue.

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Sure sounds like the steering box could be toast. Its not a Cardone is it?

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Honestly can't remember the brand.

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If you end up replacing it, avoid Cardone.
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Decided to check things over again. I had my daughter pump the wheel back and forth. Very little movement of the Pitman arm and similar amount of movement translated to tie rod end. So that seems tight. However, a loud knock coming from what sounds and feels like the gear box. So I would assume it's pooched.

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Just to update. I decided to try the parts store I picked the box up at. It was last year and I didn't have a receipt. They still had the purchase on their computer and covered under warranty. Also found out the one I had was a Cardone's.. luckily they've gone to a new supplier so we'll see how it goes.
After fighting with getting the old one out (freaking Pittman arm), I have a new one ready to install. I'll update when I get it installed and find out if it fixes the problem or not.
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post #9 of 29 Old 05-26-2017, 08:42 PM Thread Starter
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Unfortunately the new box didnt change things. I'm going to try replacing the upper tie rod (at the pitman arm) and see if that does anything. Its not overly expensive and easy enough to do.

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post #10 of 29 Old 05-27-2017, 02:59 AM
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Make sure that the knock noise you heard wasn't actually that track bar moving in the axle side mount, sending a shock through the entire steering system. It can often make a popping sound as it shifts in the mounting hole at he axle bracket. Since this allows the axle to move very slightly side to side, it could make your steering response seem slow, or wandering. You often won't see the movement in this joint unless you turn the steering wheel all the way into the steering stops while doing your dry steering test.

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I was going through some steering issues like yours. Did a dry steering test, and saw a lot of roll in my drag link (what you refer to as the upper tie rod) that shouldn't be there. Replaced the whole rod (both ends and adjuster), and steering is much better. Will be replacing the tie rod (the lower one in your terms) eventually to see if it fixes the last bit of slop (it's a ZJ tie rod, been on there for a bunch of years).
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Also, remanufactured steering boxes can be bad right out of the box. Different companies do different things, but many don't touch the internal parts. I read a manufacturer's description that used fancy words to basically say "we replce o-rings in places where it leaks and give it a paint job." Probably not what you want to hear after all the time and effort you spent on your box so far.
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Also, remanufactured steering boxes can be bad right out of the box. Different companies do different things, but many don't touch the internal parts. I read a manufacturer's description that used fancy words to basically say "we replace o-rings in places where it leaks and give it a paint job." Probably not what you want to hear after all the time and effort you spent on your box so far.
Sounds like Cardone's definition of a "rebuild".

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Sounds like Cardone's definition of a "rebuild".
I think it may have been, but I couldn't find that particular description again so I didn't want to commit a slanderous faux pas by listing the wrong company. Cardone's descriptions on Rockauto look like they have been updated recently, and they all say 100% seal replacement (but still sound like they do nothing with the internals).
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I was going through some steering issues like yours. Did a dry steering test, and saw a lot of roll in my drag link (what you refer to as the upper tie rod) that shouldn't be there. Replaced the whole rod (both ends and adjuster), and steering is much better. Will be replacing the tie rod (the lower one in your terms) eventually to see if it fixes the last bit of slop (it's a ZJ tie rod, been on there for a bunch of years).
I'm thinking this will be the next step. I'm going to stick to the hope that I didnt get two bad ones in a row... I hope.

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