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post #16 of 24 Old 05-16-2021, 07:47 AM Thread Starter
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With the lift the track bar will either need to be lengthened or relocated. One common practice is to drill another hole on the axle end 1" or 1 1/2" tward the drivers side. I forget which but someone will chime in and check to see if it has already been done
So, just to be clear, you are saying, there needs to be a modification to the length and/or location of the front traction bar "in conjunction" with the installment of original pitman arm? Or in lieu of?

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So, just to be clear, you are saying, there needs to be a modification to the length and/or location of the front traction bar "in conjunction" with the installment of original pitman arm? Or in lieu of?
the Trackbar is suspension
When you lift the vehicle, you change the distance from the track bar frame mount to the axle mount, you either need to install an adjustable track bar or relocate the mounting location.

The Pitman arm is steering
The length change for the drag link is normaly done with the adjuster. You would notice your stering wheel has moved 'off center' after lifting
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So, just to be clear, you are saying, there needs to be a modification to the length and/or location of the front traction bar "in conjunction" with the installment of original pitman arm? Or in lieu of?
Looking at your pic this has already been taken care of. I see an open bolt hole in the factory location and another bolt to the right of that.
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Looking at your pic this has already been taken care of. I see an open bolt hole in the factory location and another bolt to the right of that.
Please explain, because I do. not have a clue.
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The person who installed the lift reused the oem track bar and drilled a new hole in the mount on the axle bracket to keep the axle centered under the jeep. Ideally you would want an adjustable track bar and use the factory location but that shouldn’t give you any issues if you leave it as it is and just replace the pitman arm
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Please explain, because I do. not have a clue.
If you look at your pic just below where the tie rod and drag link intersect you can see on the axle housing where the track bar attaches. I see one hole closest to the passenger side open and a new hole closer to the drivers side that the track bar is bolted to. Nothing really wrong with how it is setup. You may want to get an adjustable track bar down the road, but I doubt it is a problem like it is as long as does not have play.

My advice is to get a factory style pitman arm and get it installed. You will likely have to readjust your drag link to recenter your steering wheel. Once the new pitman is on there should be a noticeable improvement.
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If you look at your pic just below where the tie rod and drag link intersect you can see on the axle housing where the track bar attaches. I see one hole closest to the passenger side open and a new hole closer to the drivers side that the track bar is bolted to. Nothing really wrong with how it is setup. You may want to get an adjustable track bar down the road, but I doubt it is a problem like it is as long as does not have play.

My advice is to get a factory style pitman arm and get it installed. You will likely have to readjust your drag link to recenter your steering wheel. Once the new pitman is on there should be a noticeable improvement.
WOW, I called myself looking that picture over trying to find that mounting point, to try to NOT to ask a question with an obvious answer. But I could not see it until you described it. I do have a factory pitman arm ordered, and I DO have a lot of play in my steering wheel. If that doesn't take care of all the play I will get an adjustable track bar to take care of the rest. I will update as parts are installed. Thank you VERY much.
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If, after all that, your steering is still loose, be advised that I went through two aftermarket steering gears that got just as loose as my original was until I broke down and bought a PSC steering gear. It's expensive, but....

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/p...gler/year/1997
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If, after all that, your steering is still loose, be advised that I went through two aftermarket steering gears that got just as loose as my original was until I broke down and bought a PSC steering gear. It's expensive, but....

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/p...gler/year/1997
I have struggled with the decision to replace it AGAIN. When I purchased Jeep, the steering gear was CLEARLY wore out, as was MANY suspension items, so I purchased one from Autozone, it has lifetime guarantee. But since then I read MANY post where people with Jeep TJs, replaced there stock wore out steering gear box, with one from a particular year Dodge Dakota truck, I forget which year, as it was VERY specific. THAT particular year has a more robust interior piston, which aided in overcoming, the stress of larger tires and weeny piston in factory TJ steering gear box. If the arm doesn't fix it, that is what I am going to do. Maybe someone can provide make. and model of Dodge Dakota truck that are most commonly used.
FYI, on 5-19-21, I received new factory steering arm, and started replacing it last night, I will advise with efficacy after install and test drive. I am intentionally, methodically replacing parts to see which part fixes problem.

Update of current status. Last night, I replaced steering arm, back to ORIGINAL pitman arm. Then I made an adjustment to steering box set screw, which tightens the steering, from what I understand. As a result, it DID tighten my steering wheel to the extent I could NOW feel a definite amount of PLAY in the steering wheel, which is about 2 inches, this coincidently was the amount of play I thought, but the steering was so loose I COULD NOT verify. So then I clamped vice grips at the location indicated by yellow arrow in picture. Then I had my son move the steering wheel back and forth but ONLY the distance equal to the play that is felt in the steering wheel, then I held the vice grips stationary, and my son said WOW you done something then, he said the "play" all most went away. So then I started looking for the play and seen the "pin" in the steering shaft collar had a CRAP TON of movement. NOT the pin itself, but the hole on each side of the of collar is elongated. Please see picture. The obvious corrective action is replacement, but I have already replaced this shaft one time, could I put a bolt through this hole to take care of this or is there a high performance one available? Any advice would be welcomed.
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