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post #1 of 9 Old 08-04-2010, 10:34 PM Thread Starter
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OK guys, I just have a few questions about my new LJ. I've been searching all day but can't seem to find too much info on the stock bumpers for the TJ/LJ. Are either of them strong enough to be recovered with? I'm planning on getting a winch plate for the front bumper for my Mile Marker PE8000. Am I correct in believing this ties in to the frame and not the bumper? Also, would it be viable to weld some tabs for D-rings on the rear bumper? If it's possible I'd like to avoid buying new bumpers, provided the stock ones can do what I need them to. I also plan on shortening the front one on each side. Really what I need answered is if these babies would hold up if I needed to be pulled out with them. Hope you guys can help! thanks.


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post #2 of 9 Old 08-04-2010, 10:45 PM
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winch plate mounts to the frame, don't weld d-rings to the rear sheet metal Jeep calls a bumper. There should be a rear tow hook mounted to the frame from the factory. If not you can get one here in the classifieds for cheap.
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... searching all day but can't seem to find too much info on the stock bumpers for the TJ/LJ.

There's plenty about them, but not what you're looking for.

Are either of them strong enough to be recovered with?

NO. Not even close.

..winch plate for the front bumper for my Mile Marker PE8000. Am I correct in believing this ties in to the frame and not the bumper?

Correct.

Also, would it be viable to weld some tabs for D-rings on the rear bumper?

Um. No.

If it's possible I'd like to avoid buying new bumpers, provided the stock ones can do what I need them to.

They hold the license plate up and the milk jugs on. That's about it.
(Consider this - ever see what's inside a modern car bumper? The plastic fascia is hiding styrofoam! All the TJ bumper does is sacrifice itself - willingly - if you hit something. It's hardly thicker than the sheet metal the body is made of.

Really what I need answered is if these babies would hold up if I needed to be pulled out with them. Hope you guys can help! thanks.

If you search well enough though, you can find pics of them Vee-shaped because someone tried to use them for recovery...


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Thanks. I know that was a lot of questions haha, so I appreciate it.

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If you search well enough though, you can find pics of them Vee-shaped because someone tried to use them for recovery...
Or broken, entirely. Winch lines need a stable mounting point.

If it's worth doing, then it's worth overdoing.

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Well if the winch plate mounts onto the frame, that should be stable enough i'm guessing, right?

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Well if the winch plate mounts onto the frame, that should be stable enough i'm guessing, right?
Well, unless you have a structural member that's more inherently strong than the frame, it's going to have to work.

Serious Answer: yes...that's why they're made that way.

If it's worth doing, then it's worth overdoing.

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to make a very long story short, there was one time when i was stuck in ice. i broke through a thick sheet of it, which caused my hitch to be under the ice and my rear bumper was the only thing exposed. It was the only way i could think of to have my buddy recover me because i didnt have front tow hooks either. Basically the stock rear bumper is good enough for one hard pull and its over. luckily the hard pull my buddy gave me was enough to get my rear tires up over the thick sheet of ice, but it also ripped the bumper halfway off. just search around for factory rear tow hooks or look around because you can get a decent rear bumper with d rings for relatively cheap.
And i have a smittybilt xrc8 winch mounted on the front bumper of my tj with a smittybilt winch plate. it has worked fine that way for me multiple times and my stock front bumper is fine.

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sweeet. sounds like i'll go with the winch on the front and a rear bumper.

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