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I dont know how I didn't I see this until now.. inside tread wearing faster

Just noticed that the inside tread (side closer to the jeep) is about half that of the outside tread.. great. I bent my tie rod a while back, had the tie rod end replaced and the jeep realigned, but kept the old tie rod because its only a small bend (yes, I'm replacing it. I had already planned on it). So my toe in/out is probably just off right? Of would that be caster (I think that's what it's called)?

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I would suspect some worn balljoints.(affects camber, heck caster too for that matter) How many miles on the Jeep?

When you had the alignment done, they should have given you a printout with the angles and showed you if they were in specs (or at least close).

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Also, if something was damaged by all that, what would it be? I can imagine the trac bar bolt holes being a little worn, or excess wear on my power steering box, but what else?
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I would suspect some worn balljoints.(affects camber) How many miles on the Jeep?

When you had the alignment done, they should have given you a printout with the angles and showed you if they were in specs (or at least close).
About 6,000 since the bent tie rod, 18,000 as of now. I don't remember them getting a print out, but I'll check. Would ball joints be an easy, pop it in and go kind of replacement, or something a little more serious than that. I don't want any lasting damage because of this.
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About 6,000 since the bent tie rod, 18,000 as of now. I don't remember them getting a print out, but I'll check. Would ball joints be an easy, pop it in and go kind of replacement, or something a little more serious than that. I don't want any lasting damage because of this.
Ball joints aren't bad at all. Get a loaner ball joint press from one of the auto stores and it's a weekend job.

To test the ball joints jack up one tire, get something like a crowbar/pipe/whatever can get you leverage under the tire. Push the tire up or have someone else do it and watch the ball joints. Any play is bad.
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Ball joints aren't bad at all. Get a loaner ball joint press from one of the auto stores and it's a weekend job.
So two new tires, new ball joints, a new tie rod, and get her aligned and that *should* be it? Just don't want some serious, or permanent damage.
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So two new tires, new ball joints, a new tie rod, and get her aligned and that *should* be it? Just don't want some serious, or permanent damage.
Don't worry about damage, nothing catastrophic is going to happen. The worst has already happened, which is poor tire wear and the need for new tires. And I hate to say it but you should really replace all 4 tires at once.

Something's definitely out of alignment. Do what I mentioned above to test the ball joints, or depending on how many miles you have on the jeep it might be good preventative maintenance to replace them regardless. Definitely replace the tie rod since it has been previously bent, consider upgrading it too.

It's probably pretty cheap as well to put the Jeep on an alignment to get a good baseline of what's going on exactly.
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So two new tires, new ball joints, a new tie rod, and get her aligned and that *should* be it? Just don't want some serious, or permanent damage.
I think you're a ways from serious damage... of course, a complete failing of a ball joint is catastrophic.

New tires would be the last step after you diagnose and repair the issue. Definitely get a new tie rod, good time to do a ZJ upgrade!

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Don't worry about damage, nothing catastrophic is going to happen. The worst has already happened, which is poor tire wear and the need for new tires. And I hate to say it but you should really replace all 4 tires at once.

Something's definitely out of alignment. Do what I mentioned above to test the ball joints, or depending on how many miles you have on the jeep it might be good preventative maintenance to replace them regardless. Definitely replace the tie rod since it has been previously bent, consider upgrading it too.

It's probably pretty cheap as well to put the Jeep on an alignment to get a good baseline of what's going on exactly.
Awesome, I was imagining a worst case scenario where something like the control arm mounts, or trac bar brackets, etc. were screwed and it'd never ride right until I found the whatever it was lol.

Already planned on getting a new tie rod, I was going to put a zj tie rod and a BB on this weekend, but I guess I'll wait until this new issue gets sorted out.

And great, I'm a broke high schooler, 4 new tires would clean me out (well, it would right now, especially broke atm). My dad already tried to tell me the tires were fine. That's exactly what he said about the tie rod
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Side note: when I turn the wheel, the caster (or is it camber?) changes a tiny bit. Ex: I turn the wheel left, and the tops of tires will lean a little left, and vice versa. That's normal right?
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Taking it to the shop after school to get the alignment checked and to see if anything else, like the ball joints, has gone bad.
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When they align it, tell them you want the tires straight forward or they will put the toe in just a bit because that is what the factory says to do. The steering might not feel as tight, but it will help you with your tire wear. I had my jeep aligned a few times and ended up with an exaggerated version of your problem due to wider tires. I finally jacked up the jeep and set the toe adjustment dead straight. I haven't had problems since.

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When they align it, tell them you want the tires straight forward or they will put the toe in just a bit because that is what the factory says to do. The steering might not feel as tight, but it will help you with your tire wear. I had my jeep aligned a few times and ended up with an exaggerated version of your problem due to wider tires. I finally jacked up the jeep and set the toe adjustment dead straight. I haven't had problems since.
This leads to others issues sometimes like death wobble and is a half assed fix. I have wider tires as do most on this forum and you are first I heard say this.



OP I am curious how you messed everything up in the first place? Was it jumping? Hit tree/rock/hole?


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This leads to others issues sometimes like death wobble and is a half assed fix. I have wider tires as do most on this forum and you are first I heard say this.



OP I am curious how you messed everything up in the first place? Was it jumping? Hit tree/rock/hole?
I can only assume you are just on here to troll. Could you mind telling me how you managed to get your tires to stop wearing funny when they are out of alignment? I have zero issues with death wobble or any "other issues" whatever those are.

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This leads to others issues sometimes like death wobble and is a half assed fix. I have wider tires as do most on this forum and you are first I heard say this.

OP I am curious how you messed everything up in the first place? Was it jumping? Hit tree/rock/hole?
Haha, about that.. The first day I got her, my foot slipped of the clutch and I somehow knocked my basketball goal clean down. If was my first time driving stick so yea.. It dented in the corner of my fender flare, and the tie rod, and that was it.
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