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post #1 of 21 Old 12-09-2019, 12:57 PM Thread Starter
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Death Wobble

I have been Fighting Death wobble for a while now, my Right Hub was bad and I replaced it and all my Tie Rod ends are fine, and I just recently replaced my track bar. My Mud tires are old and getting bald and I was told they couldn’t be balanced properly, what’s the Possibility of it being my Tires and maybe not the Steering

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post #2 of 21 Old 12-11-2019, 07:42 AM
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Excellent. New tires and align the front end.
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rotate the tires ans see if the vibe changes.

its very probable that at the very least the tires are adding to the problem if not the cause
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rotate the tires ans see if the vibe changes.
Probably won't because they're all bald. My buddy's wife bought a lifted JK and it had DW bad. They brought it over because I've had so many Jeeps. She never rotated the tires or got an alignment. The front tires were bald in spots and cupped. I rotated them to the rear and all was fixed. I told her to align it and buy 4 new tires. I didn't charge them my $100 guesstimate fee.
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Excellent. New tires and align the front end.
Thanks for this information, I wanted to get multiple opinions before I Dropped money into new Tires
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rotate the tires ans see if the vibe changes.

its very probable that at the very least the tires are adding to the problem if not the cause

I did it multiple times and it didn’t change but it started acting up when the plug in my front left tire went bad and I’ve been fighting with it to keep it inflated correctly
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Thanks for this information, I wanted to get multiple opinions before I Dropped money into new Tires
Depending on the tire size, you can buy good used tires. I sold my brand new Goodyear stock size tires on my XJ for $150 for all four.

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I did it multiple times and it didn’t change but it started acting up when the plug in my front left tire went bad and I’ve been fighting with it to keep it inflated correctly
You just answered your own original question with that statement.

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Worn out and cupped tires will aggravate death wobble, but aren't usually the root cause of it. Tires that are cupped will put more pressure on the steering components and cause whatever component(s) that is/are bad to reveal themselves. Replacing the tires will certainly help for sure, but once those get worn or you hit a large bump, the death wobble will return.

You need to physically check each component, sometimes by putting pressure on it with a pry bar in order to look for any loose joints.

-tie rod ends
-ball joints
-lower control arm bushings
-steering box

I know you stated you replaced the trackbar, but make sure the hole where it mounts on the axle is not wallowed out. That can cause issues as well and was the problem I had on my XJ. Pulling on the joints with your hands won't always reveal a problem unless they are REALLY bad, since cupped tires and potholes will provide more pressure than you can replicate.

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Update: I moved the Front tires to the back and it drives fine now, the wobble has moved to the back now, thanks to everyone who posted and Helped. I appreciate it.
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Thanks for this information, I wanted to get multiple opinions before I Dropped money into new Tires
Depending on the tire size, you can buy good used tires. I sold my brand new Goodyear stock size tires on my XJ for $150 for all four.

p.s. Rule #1 on Jeep forum is "Fill out your profile for better answers to questions.".
Yea, I’m Running 35s by 12.50 so they can be up there in price
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I know you stated you replaced the trackbar, but make sure the hole where it mounts on the axle is not wallowed out. That can cause issues as well and was the problem I had on my XJ.
Makes no difference if the bolts are properly torqued. Have you seen the lower front control arm mounts with cam bolts?
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Update: I moved the Front tires to the back and it drives fine now, the wobble has moved to the back now, thanks to everyone who posted and Helped. I appreciate it.
I'm thinking it wasn't actual DW. Did you look like this?
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Makes no difference if the bolts are properly torqued. Have you seen the lower front control arm mounts with cam bolts?
Agreed. But the bolt is usually not tight enough in the case of the trackbar hole being wallowed out.

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I'm thinking it wasn't actual DW. Did you look like this?
My thoughts as well. A tire wobble/shake is much different than death wobble.
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