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A/C refrigerant?

I'm new to the forum so bare with me. I bought a 1997 TJ 2.5l a year and a half ago and it came with factory A/C. I have noticed that the air coming out of the vents is not as cold as it should be. Did the TJ come with freon or the the new puron? Anybody know? The last JEEP I owned was 1951 Willys back in 1972 in the old country. No A/C back then.

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post #2 of 31 Old 03-20-2005, 11:37 AM
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Our '97 TJ A/C compressors came with R12 freon.

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Re: A/C.

(Sure was a quick reply. Thanks). Can I still get the R12 Freon or do I need the new stuff?

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Not sure about Canada but R12 was taken off the store shelves here in the US years ago and made illegal to purchase and install on your own. I feel the urge to smuggle a few cans of R12 up from Mexico the next time I'm down there... just in case before it all disappears.

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(Sure was a quick reply. Thanks). Can I still get the R12 Freon or do I need the new stuff?
There's quite a few drop-in replacements now for R12: you don't have to do the 134A conversion. I can't remember the actual designations now, but auto parts places ought to be able to fill in the blanks. Heck of a lot easier than making a trip to Mexico. You would need to completely evacuate the old r12 to put them in as I remember.
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Before you go ot looking for R-12, look under your hood, somewhere there will be a decal stating what is being used for a refridgerant. It may not tell you it is Freon, but rather R-134A which has been used in Canada since the early '90's.. If it doesn;t say anything it may be R-12, but I doubt it.
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I used a product called Freeze 12, by Johnsens, it's supposed to be a replacement for R-12.
It's been a few years, since I did this, so I'm not sure if it's still avail.
Bought it at a local auto parts store. Worked goodly.

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Before you go ot looking for R-12, look under your hood, somewhere there will be a decal stating what is being used for a refridgerant. It may not tell you it is Freon, but rather R-134A which has been used in Canada since the early '90's.. If it doesn;t say anything it may be R-12, but I doubt it.
R12 was used in '97 TJs and just about all other '97 vehicles, the switch to R134 in Jeeps was made a year or two later.

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It wasn't two years later as my '98 (put on the road in Sept. 97) uses R-134A.

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R12 was used in '97 TJs and just about all other '97 vehicles, the switch to R134 in Jeeps was made a year or two later.
Canada was a signitor to the "Montreal Protocol" in 1995, an agreement that prohibits the inport or use of freon in the participating countries. Perhaps the US was not party to that agreement. In any event Chrysler Canada stopped using any CFC's in any of their vehicles in 1995, in 1992, Chrysler Canada received a an award from the Enviromental Protection agency for its leadership in eliminating
CFCs from air conditioning systems
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R12 was used in '97 TJs and just about all other '97 vehicles, the switch to R134 in Jeeps was made a year or two later.
Are you positive Jerry? When I was working at the dealership, I remember that by 94 everything had R134, even the 93 LH cars and Grand Cherokees had it. I know my 98 did and I'm 99.9% sure 97 TJ's were R-134 as well.

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although it may not matter, I checked and the test for the EPA certificate to buy r12 is a joke. It costs $20 and can be taken online. The first link is a private company that proctors the test & sells study guides. The second link is a page on the EPA website. If you scroll down you will find the company from the first link on the list.

http://www.epatest.com/e_home.html

http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/609/.../609certs.html

While this does not make R12 any cheaper it means you can buy it legally. (ebay, industrial supply, HVAC supply companies, etc.)


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The answer about the A/C question. (I hope).

I followed your advice Newbie and checked under the hood and there was a sticker stating: R-134a refrigerant. So thanks to you all for your help. Canada is still fridgid but pretty soon we'll have hot, hot weather again.

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although it may not matter, I checked and the test for the EPA certificate to buy r12 is a joke. It costs $20 and can be taken online. The first link is a private company that proctors the test & sells study guides. The second link is a page on the EPA website. If you scroll down you will find the company from the first link on the list.

http://www.epatest.com/e_home.html

http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/609/.../609certs.html

While this does not make R12 any cheaper it means you can buy it legally. (ebay, industrial supply, HVAC supply companies, etc.)
Yep, you're right: it's pretty easy: When I took it I had to do a 10-hour class, etc.: Just because you have the certification doesn't mean that it's a freon free-for-all, though: there's a pretty limited set of circumstances, uses, etc. that you have to be operating under to use said freon. I can go anywhere I want and buy the stuff, but if I use it for anything but maintenance purposes on the site of my employer, I'm in violation. To do more beyond that takes a for-real HVAC license.
(Some of this may be TX law instead of EPA, but that's what I have to deal with)
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R12 was used in '97 TJs and just about all other '97 vehicles, the switch to R134 in Jeeps was made a year or two later.
And my 97 uses 134a...

I read this thread, bought some R12, go check the compressor and it says R143A on it. Yay. :-/

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