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post #1 of 16 Old 05-20-2016, 08:37 PM Thread Starter
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Building one tons steering

Hey,

I am currently planning on building a one ton steering kit for my Rubicon.
I want you guy's your opinion on my plan.
I'll be buying these 4 component from TMR http://www.tmrcustoms.com/store/inde...&cPath=143_207
For tie rod and drag link, i would use 1,25'' DOM with 0,25'' wall and tapping for the 7/8 thread for the tie rod end.
I am planning for a under steering like OEM.

Does it sound good ?

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post #2 of 16 Old 05-21-2016, 11:42 AM
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I bent mine with 35''
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If you're wanting to do "1 ton" steering, grab the kit from Ruffstuff. You'll need a trackbar that goes over the diff and not in front of it, like the one from Clayton that I had to switch to from metalcloak, or make your own.
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Inverted "T' steering isn't the most desirable on a TJ...
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I know that a inverted T is not the best, but for what i do i suppose it will be ok.
For the track bar, i will see because JCR do a kit same as i do and they seem to not have any problem with it.
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You're losing drivability and gaining only marginal strength. Your best solution for the money is Currie steering.

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Here's a recent thread with some good steering info in it:
https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/sy...nable-3567802/

Here's a thread that lists all (or most of) the options:
https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/st...tions-3560890/

Simply put, the Currie system is superior.
The Synergy system has similiar strength, but lacks one key component that reduces tie rod (or DL) roll, in the BJ under the passenger knuckle.

Here's Ruff Stuff's site, some good packages if you decide to get creative.
http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/...EERINGKIT.html

You will need more than 1 bend to make an inverted Y like the stock system, after which, even if your design is perfect, you will have reverse engineered the Synergy system, and have the issues described by Vinsanity in the thread I linked.

Also, if you're impact bending your steering links, 1.5" OD tube does not absolve you from that issue.

Hope that helps.


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an inverted T like the stock system
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Inverted "T' steering isn't the most desirable on a TJ...
Inverted T has its issues, but for most the real life impact of the negatives are not an issue and there is a lot good about inverted T.
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I'll tell you guys that I installed the Ruffstuff kit with the Delrin bushing as a test, with the full expectation of switching it over to crossover style after testing, since I did the wj knuckle swap at the same time.

After running it for the last couple months, and waiting for some slop to start showing up as the bushing might have wore some, I can say confidently that it's still tight, responsive, and strong.

It's a tight fit, but with the wj knuckles, it clears my diff and only very slightly made contact with the factory sway bar links, which can be ground down easily. I test fitted the raised sway bar mounts that I ordered from Blaine, and they clear easily.

There is a drawback. The WJ knuckles don't have adjustable steering stops. The factory pitman arm and box will run out of travel with around 1/8 to 3/16" of a gap between the inner c and the steering stop. You can build up the inner c steering stop area with some weld, or weld on some universal steering stops like RuffStuff makes.

You can't go to a longer pitman arm to get your turning radius back like you can with cross over style, because it will cause the tie rod and drag link to interfere with each other.

I'm happy with the kit. The bushing is what makes all the difference. If someone hasn't tried it, then their opinion on it is moot. The only reason I would consider swapping it over to crossover style at this point is if I need to for hydro assist cylinder placement. I'm gathering parts for hydro right now, and cylinder placement is going to be extremely tight with the trackbar in the factory location.

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I thought our stock steering was inverted "Y". Isn't inverted "T" where the knuckles are connected together by the tie rod?


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There is a drawback. The WJ knuckles don't have adjustable steering stops. The factory pitman arm and box will run out of travel with around 1/8 to 3/16" of a gap between the inner c and the steering stop. You can build up the inner c steering stop area with some weld, or weld on some universal steering stops like RuffStuff makes.
Is it bad to not have steering stops? Obviously you'll stop when the box runs out of travel, but does this hurt the box in any way? Only thing I can think of is if you're at the end of travel, and you hit something such that it pushes your steering past the end of box travel - will this damage your gear?
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I thought our stock steering was inverted "Y". Isn't inverted "T" where the knuckles are connected together by the tie rod?
My bad, not sure what I was thinking this AM.
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Only thing I can think of is if you're at the end of travel, and you hit something such that it pushes your steering past the end of box travel - will this damage your gear?
Yes, yes it will and does quite frequently.

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There is a drawback. The WJ knuckles don't have adjustable steering stops.
Some how I lucked out with my WJ conversion. I'm using the OEM pitman arm and 4" backspacing wheel rims with 35x12" tires.
I get a little rubbing on the lower control arms but not enough to be concerned.
This setup can turn really tight... IMO
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