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post #16 of 44 Old 08-15-2019, 02:45 PM Thread Starter
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Yeah to be clearer:

2" of play in the steering wheel to the left / 2" of play in the steering wheel to the right
1" of play of rotation from Steering shaft to Pittman Arm when turning left
3/4" of play of rotation from Steering shaft to Pittman Arm when turning right

So the shaft rotates about 1" before any steering begins turning left * 3/4" shaft rotation before any real steering begins turning right.

Thats a little more precise and honestly about how it feels on the highway to the best I can describe it.


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post #17 of 44 Old 08-15-2019, 03:05 PM
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He said his steering wheel has 4" of play which is not hard for me to believe at all.
Which I can guarantee has little to do with his steering box. I would NOT be throwing money @ a new steering box when he still has ALL stock steering components on the jeep. Start with the TREs and other steering components.

OP. Do a dry steering test and post up a video.

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Which I can guarantee has little to do with his steering box. I would NOT be throwing money @ a new steering box when he still has ALL stock steering components on the jeep. Start with the TREs and other steering components.

OP. Do a dry steering test and post up a video.


But he indicated that he is able to rotate the steering shaft a good bit before the pitman moves. There should be nearly zero play there, and that does indicate a problem with the steering gear. But it is likely that there is more than one thing going on here.

I had the lower bushing in my PSC gear wear so that I was getting an inch or two play in the steering wheel. Even with that, it drove horribly, and wondered all over the road. Having the gear rebuilt solved the problem.
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Which is why I am also replacing, my stock fixed upper and lower control arms with adjustables with polyurethane bushings,
Tie Rod/Tie Rod ends and Drag Link, and steering stab/Front Shocks for good measure. After 200K on the stock stuff, it's about time anyway, and the new stuff should
help tighten all up, along with the replaced Steering Box. I gotta pull stuff apart and the Pittman arm off anyway, so might as well do it all. My two cents.

Track bar seems pretty solid yet - I'll hold off on that for a while.
Ball Joints still very good yet

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Which I can guarantee has little to do with his steering box. I would NOT be throwing money @ a new steering box when he still has ALL stock steering components on the jeep. Start with the TREs and other steering components.

OP. Do a dry steering test and post up a video.
Did you read his post above yours?

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Yes, did he read mine above his?
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Which is why I am also replacing, my stock fixed upper and lower control arms with adjustables with polyurethane bushings,
Aren't polyurethane bushing harder, not flexible enough, and hard on the control arm mounts??
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post #23 of 44 Old 08-16-2019, 10:21 AM
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Did you read his post above yours?
I did.

I would NEVER replace a steering box FIRST. It would be last on my list. That is just me. I have spare TREs in the garage in case of some slop developing. Like I said I have NEVER had to adjust OR replace a box, except for throwing in a Durango box in my first 97 TJ.

Post up a vid of the steering shaft connection to the pitman so we can see the "slop". As they do have a bit of movement like Nashville eluded to. If anything maybe the ujoints in the steering shafts are getting worn.

If all these are in working order and no slop, then try to tighten the steering box BEFORE you replace it. 1/8" turns at a time and then test the steering wheel movement, repeat if neccessary


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I’m only offering my recent experience after recently replacing my stock ‘03 Daimler gear box (180K) with one from PSC. Have a Currie HD steering set and recently replaced most of it and it helped a little. Mine was as bad as his sounds. My wife wouldn’t even move it in the driveway. After replacing the box, the thing drove better than brand new and I’m running a 3.5” lift.

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It is not hard to narrow down where the problem is coming from, but you have to look at each area carefully, one at a time, and figure out exactly what IS moving, and what is NOT moving (or delayed, sloppy, etc).

It doesn't matter how good or bad the rod ends are, if there is noticeable slop/delay through the gearbox from input to output. But only the OP can determine that since he's the only one physically at the Jeep looking at the parts.

The adjustment on top of the gearbox will likely be a short-term bandaid at best. OP said there is 200K on the Jeep, so yes, rod ends & track bar bushings could be worn, but saying there is no possible way the gearbox is worn out, seems a bit silly.

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It is not hard to narrow down where the problem is coming from, but you have to look at each area carefully, one at a time, and figure out exactly what IS moving, and what is NOT moving (or delayed, sloppy, etc).

It doesn't matter how good or bad the rod ends are, if there is noticeable slop/delay through the gearbox from input to output. But only the OP can determine that since he's the only one physically at the Jeep looking at the parts.

The adjustment on top of the gearbox will likely be a short-term bandaid at best. OP said there is 200K on the Jeep, so yes, rod ends & track bar bushings could be worn, but saying there is no possible way the gearbox is worn out, seems a bit silly.

Is it really silly on a stock jeep with 31s? How the hell would a gear box develop 2 inches of slop. I could see if you wheeled the **** out of it in the rocks, trees, mud etc. I have wheeled 2 jeeps hard on 36s with stock boxes and never had an issue with any box. Saginaw or Mercedes. Sure needles are in haystacks, but I wouldn't be jumping to the box right away.

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200K miles is 321,000 Km's...I don't think it's that hard to believe.

Maybe the OP can post up some videos.
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200K miles is 321,000 Km's...I don't think it's that hard to believe.

Maybe the OP can post up some videos.
I do agree the high kms will wear parts out but I don't think the box is on a stock driven vehicle. Why don't we replace truck steering boxes with the same kms ??? Suvs?

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Is it really silly on a stock jeep with 31s? How the hell would a gear box develop 2 inches of slop. I could see if you wheeled the **** out of it in the rocks, trees, mud etc. I have wheeled 2 jeeps hard on 36s with stock boxes and never had an issue with any box. Saginaw or Mercedes. Sure needles are in haystacks, but I wouldn't be jumping to the box right away.
It doesn't matter what your experiences are, the OP confirmed his steering box has issues. I see problems all the time that I have never seen with well over 300k on my TJs that are driven hard.

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It doesn't matter what your experiences are, the OP confirmed his steering box has issues. I see problems all the time that I have never seen with well over 300k on my TJs that are driven hard.
It is pretty clear on this site that a lot of inexperienced jeepers misdiagnose things. Pictures/videos tell a thousand tales. If the OP was dead sure on his steering box, he wouldn't be on here asking what he should replace. Most of the time the slop is in the steering shafts and/or coupler that attaches to the Box input. It could be skipping or loose.

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