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post #331 of 345 Old 10-12-2013, 08:04 AM
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tks for the info. it pays to sirf the older pgs of cj5 form. just got my 75 cj5 . the ol girl has the wandering issue. has a lift kit, 10-1/2 x 32" have not measured the lift yet. will use the angle finder to see where its @. tks for your knowledge it helps us all. ps the springs are under the axle.

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post #332 of 345 Old 02-25-2014, 10:15 AM
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I read through most of the pages and I don't believe I saw this mentioned anywhere? I have the "wondering steering" issue. When driving I can pretty much keep a straight line but after taking a turn the wheels don't really center themselves. I have an 86 CJ7 with a 4'' lift with and 33.5 BF Goodrich all-terrain tires. It also has factory power steering that I installed (used) since my jeep originally came without power steering. Everything appears in order with steering components. Nothing broken or loose. There is a little play in factory steering shaft at the upper joint but this is expected after 25+ years and will be corrected with new steering shaft. My questions is should I consider shimming an already offset front leaf? I called lift kit manufacture (Tuff Country EZ-Ride 4") about possible caster angle issues and I was told that the front end leafs were manufactured "offset" for proper caster angle. Do these offset leafs not always correct caster angle 100% and still require a 2 degree shim at least? Thanks guys. BTW, I live in Puerto Rico where getting a proper diagnostic is sometimes difficult and is why I have not gone to a tire shop for caster angle information. I'm pretty handy with tools but not 100% comfortable with this angle tool as I've seen it used several different ways in this thread and don't want to get a bad reading. Thanks again.

Update: I put an angle meter on the top bolt of the upper ball joint and got a reading of 5 degrees of positive caster. From what I've read, it should be about 4 degrees with a 4" lift? So I'm good?

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Thanks for the great info. I have a 2001 Jeep Wrangler with a 4" lift. how do i go about fixing the issue on my jeep?

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post #335 of 345 Old 12-21-2014, 01:42 PM
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I read through most of the pages and I don't believe I saw this mentioned anywhere? I have the "wondering steering" issue. When driving I can pretty much keep a straight line but after taking a turn the wheels don't really center themselves. I have an 86 CJ7 with a 4'' lift with and 33.5 BF Goodrich all-terrain tires. It also has factory power steering that I installed (used) since my jeep originally came without power steering. Everything appears in order with steering components. Nothing broken or loose. There is a little play in factory steering shaft at the upper joint but this is expected after 25+ years and will be corrected with new steering shaft. My questions is should I consider shimming an already offset front leaf? I called lift kit manufacture (Tuff Country EZ-Ride 4") about possible caster angle issues and I was told that the front end leafs were manufactured "offset" for proper caster angle. Do these offset leafs not always correct caster angle 100% and still require a 2 degree shim at least? Thanks guys. BTW, I live in Puerto Rico where getting a proper diagnostic is sometimes difficult and is why I have not gone to a tire shop for caster angle information. I'm pretty handy with tools but not 100% comfortable with this angle tool as I've seen it used several different ways in this thread and don't want to get a bad reading. Thanks again.

Update: I put an angle meter on the top bolt of the upper ball joint and got a reading of 5 degrees of positive caster. From what I've read, it should be about 4 degrees with a 4" lift? So I'm good?
From l what I have followed and read, you should take 2 readings. One at the bottom on the spring and then at the top of the ball joint.

then compare the 2 and see if there is 4 degree difference.

As stated somewhere in the post you must be on level ground. If you not then the 1 reading from the top may not be true.

Example:

reading a bottom of spring -1
reading at top of ball joint +4
true caster is +3

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post #336 of 345 Old 12-21-2014, 02:08 PM
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I downloaded the "Angle Meter" app on my iPhone. It's free and seems to work pretty good. Of course, my Jeep is 3,000 miles away right now so I can't check my caster. It's one of the first things I'll do when I get home though. My Jeep has had the wanders for over 30 years. I'll probably use a real angle finder before doing any mods though.
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post #337 of 345 Old 12-21-2014, 03:17 PM
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FYI, I found that measuring caster at home is only accurate to +/- 2 degrees, due to casting imperfections.

It's best to take it to an alignment shop and get a true reading.

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Can i apply this to my 89 yj with no lift and 31 inch tires ?

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post #339 of 345 Old 12-30-2018, 09:22 AM
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I just purchased a '79 cj5 with super soft steering with a lot of wander in the steering. It has a 4" lift and this article makes sense. This will be my first attempt to corect the steering. Thanks
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post #340 of 345 Old 01-08-2019, 12:06 PM
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You lift the truck, that changes the caster. Shim the mounts, you've changed the drive shaft angles (That new vibration you feel? Guess where it came from).
To put the angles back within service limits, you need restore the geometry by either installing a longer shaft or just dropping the transfer case.

People don't realize how often even the "simplest" modifications can invoke a significant cascade of unintended consequences.
With as much information as we have at our fingertips courtesy of the internet, no project should be undertaken without at least a little bit of research to understand what will happen and what, if any, benefit will actually follow.


BTW instead of buying a tool, I took my Jeep over to Firestone. I'd bought some new tires not long before, and they came with "lifetime" free alignment.
So every time I made a change, I had them check the geometry which allowed me to document exactly what changed, and when.
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Thanks Colt. After examining everything closely I found that my whole steering box was turning. So I started by getting smaller tires. ( the 34” seemed too big for the Jeep anyway) also I am removing the lift which is a spacer setup and replacing with a 2.5” lift with new leaf springs.
And lastly I have a beefy new steering box mount.
Would you think that the 2.5 inch lift will change the geometry enough that I will need to add shins. The “saleman” at quadratec didn’t think it would.

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Would a front end alignment by alignment shop not be best

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I plan on getting it aligned and checking the geometry.

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post #344 of 345 Old 09-11-2019, 08:20 PM
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Just picked up an 84 CJ7 that is all over the road. PO installed a YJ Old Man Emu lift, but doesnít know much more about it than that... I have measured the caster and it appears that itís 8 degrees positive (front axle is rolled to the rear of the Jeep)... installing shims with the fat end of the shim to the front will increase this 8 degrees. In theory, I should be installing the shim with the fat end to the rear of the Jeep to correct this, correct? Thanks!
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I have read this thread from first to last with interest. My 84 would want to change lanes at anytime, especially when I was not expecting it. I did all the checking of loose or worn joints. Wife would turn the wheel L-to-R while I was underneath looking and feeling for play in the connections. Since I purchased it (fall '15), I've replaced tie rod and tie rod ends, steering dampener, ans steering gear box (started leaking PS fluid after tightening the adjuster screw). I still couldn't figure it out. Took it to my mechanic. He found the steering shaft u-joint was worn out and the ball joints were stiff (would not return wheels to center). He replaced both of those. An alignment shop found that the drag link (? - I am not sure which bar) was crooked. That was straightened. Picked it up today. Did not have to hold on to the wheel with both hands! Now it tracks straight, even on bumpy roads.

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