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post #1 of 17 Old 05-12-2019, 05:39 PM Thread Starter
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Stering issues

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Yesterday I bought my first Cj. It is a 1977 Cj5. Super excited! Today I was driving it and while trying to preform a sharp left turn found it was extremely hard to turn the wheel to the left. My Cj does have power steering and turning it to the right is "normal". I am not very experienced with these jeeps I bought it as a project to learn how to work on vehicles and have fun with. Any suggestions? I replaced the power steering fluid but feel the issues is in the steering gearbox.
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post #2 of 17 Old 05-12-2019, 07:55 PM
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I would start with jackstands under the axle, wheels off the ground. Engine off, key unlocked, turn wheel full right and left and feel for resistance and compare them. Then have someone turn while you look underneath to see if something is hitting, rubbing, or binding. It’s a start and you can report back with your findings.

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after changing teh fluid you needed to turn it lock to lock 3 times to make sure no air within.

The difficulty of movement to left though is possibly something more mechanical underneath.

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Do what Ed suggested, jack stands under axle, and then zero in on the axle shaft U-joints and upper and lower ball joints of the Steering knuckles.
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Ok so I threw it up on stands today and was after forcing the wheels to turn all the way left I was able to get it to make a full (turn) I angled the wheels to max turn multiple times. It would seemingly get easier for it to turn left after preforming this multiple times but when I turned the jeep over it would only easily turn to the right. When turning to the left and the left only I can hear what I believe to be the pump " working " I hear this same sound on my f150 but I do not hear this when turning right ? So the wheels can turn max to max Ö the links are all proper and the joints seem not to be the issue. Any suggestions ?
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Oh don't know if this is important after turning the wheels to max angle a few times lots of steering fluid came out of the reservoir. I may have over filled it yesterday
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So how much resistance with engine off? The reason is you can better feel it that way as with the pump, it will force through a problem. The pump strain you hear when going left is the pump fighting the resistance. This could be a binding ball joint, steering dampener, or a binding U Joint.

With wheels off the ground:
Ball joint test: disconnect tie rod at pitman arm OR at knuckle. Move wheels through full turn by hand. Feel for resistance. Grab ech wheel at 12 and 6 and push/pull and feel for play.
Steering dampener test: disconnect at one end and cycle by hand.

U joint bind test: Turn wheel all the way to one side. Lock the hub and spin the wheel. A binding U joint will stop a spinning wheel quickly.

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Is your steering box centred correctly? When wheels straight ahead is pitman arm straight ahead?

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Ed … its hard left … I am starting to think the pitman arm was installed improperly. If I disconnect the pitman arm from gear box and turn the wheel will it be restricted or can it freely spin forever ?
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The pitman arm can only be installed 1 of 4 ways as there is an indexing tab every quarter of the splines.

Do not remove the pitman arm from the box.

Instead, remove the tie rod end at the pitman arm end.

This will remove the box from the equation and allow you to turn the wheels back and forth to feel if the problem is in the ball joints, u joints or steering dampener.
At the same time, you can spin the steering wheel and confirm it is smooth. (which I'm guessing it is as turning right works fine)
Side note: the only way the steering wheel spins freely is the disconnect the steering shaft either at the box or the column. Only free spin the 1995 and older Jeeps as newer ones have a clock spring and ribbon wire behind the steering wheel and too many turns equal breakage.
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Ok so I know its been a while but I ended up replacing the tie rod and drag link along with the rod ends. I can easily move the tires left to right when the jeep is off and up on stands. I am still having the right hand turning issue when the jeep is on the ground. I am not sure if it is the pitman arm (pictures below) or possibly the fluid hose from the pump to the gearbox. When I bought the jeep I realized one of those hoses was smaller than the other and it could be restricting the power steering fluid?
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That picture shows it I think. I bet your binding at the forward , right tie rod.
That is an aftermarket tie rod kit and they don’t have the flex at certain angles. Or at least mine didn’t.
You need to flip that steering rod to the top.

Disconnect that tie rod and check the range of motion.

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