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post #1 of 18 Old 09-07-2019, 01:21 PM Thread Starter
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steering column,tilt 80 cj5 ...problem!

WELL...I was changin out my ignition switch,taking my time doing it.

Had (!!!!),,,, all the parts layed out for reassembly

buddy of mine returned a tool and put it right on top of everything and mixed em all up !
I might as well thrown em in a bucket !

Anyway,,,what I'm looking for is a GOOD schematic to put everything back !

All I can find is non-tilt,non-key,manual steerin,automatics,or "way" diff year applications !

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post #2 of 18 Old 09-07-2019, 01:59 PM
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Maybe these will help. How far are you in terms of part placement?
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post #3 of 18 Old 09-07-2019, 02:14 PM
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It's a GM column so go here and look for what you need.

http://jimshea.corvettefaq.com/?cat=5
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Here are a couple other resources I've gathered while overhauling my tilt columns. They might also be helpful-

Tilt Column Fix.pdf

Jazzman's write up here was also an excellent guide for the tilt GM column.

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Another Resource:

http://www.steeringcolumnservices.com/

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update...sort of...????
gettin some stuff back on...but

when I bolt on the ign switch assbly,,,so that the ign rod works , the steering mount bracket doesnt line up.
tried switchin directions on both...not workin.the mounting bracket should go one with the aluminum inserts slots facing the cab...correct?

On the switch assbly...theres that "3rd mounting hole" ...towards the cab or towards the eng.?
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Some pictures would be helpful here. Post up a few-

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oh yeah...one more q.
when I first started assembly,the ign rod was pointing straight out from the column,I assuming it got bent...somehow.Easy,(sort of), to bend in either direction with a channel lock pliers

so,does it slide into the assbly from the "floor side" or the top ?
does it go "thru" the mounting bracket or off to the side
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OK...2 pics here showing ign rod to assbly ...problemo
ign rod is on the floor side of the assbly
1 st pic key is on,rod slightly askew of assbly.
2nd pic key off,rod badly askew of assbly !

the assbly is on the column the only way I can get the mounting bracket back on.

between these pics n the 2 previous...MAYBE...one of you guys can tell whats wrong !!!!

I'm jus flip flopin things around trying to make some sense out of all this.

gettin real close to a "trail repair" ,"jus make it operable", repair !
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The orientation of the rod looks correct. Just wondering, there are two types of ignition switches - one for tilt columns, one for non-tilt. Is the new replacement switch specifically for a tilt application?

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Check out this thread-
https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/r...witch-4315635/

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My CJ-5 has the tilt column and if the column is tilted, I can't get the engine to crank. What causes this? Been like that for a while. Hate like heck to get into the column. I bought a new switch but haven't tried installing it yet.
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My CJ-5 has the tilt column and if the column is tilted, I can't get the engine to crank. What causes this? Been like that for a while. Hate like heck to get into the column. I bought a new switch but haven't tried installing it yet.
Bob, I assume you mean the engine will not crank when the column is tilted in the up position? If so I had the same problem- when mine was tilted up, turning the key cylinder would not engage the 'crank' position on the switch- ultimately, I had to press down on the column (tilted fully down) to start the engine and finally, it wouldn't crank at all. In my case, the switch itself was fine. When I dug in deeper, it turned out to be a worn rack and sector (yep, required a column disassembly). I replaced mine with this Dorman ignition switch kit from Amazon. I found that the plastic gear was worn, and wouldn't move the connecting rod quite far enough to work.

Although it seems daunting, getting into the column wasn't that bad. I'll add this, though- like anything, having the correct tools makes the process go much easier. The pivot pin puller and lock plate compression tool were worth the money IMHO. Although you don't have to pull the pivot pins to replace the rack and sector, I figured while I was in that far, may as well inspect and lubricate the ball joint while I was at it.

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Thanks Hoov. Thats what I figured. It cranks in the straight position but undoubtedly, the same problem as you describe. I already have the the lock plate tool. Should get the pivot pin tool.
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That's good advice Hoover7.

You definitely need the puller tool but the one I used looks like the one in the link provided below. Double check to make sure you get the one that works best for your column. Not sure if they make a difference but double check.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Steering-Pi...AAAOSwQmJcZ~Oc

ADDITIONALLY, when you finally get to that point in the column after using the pivot tool, remove the knuckle joint via the 3 or 4 bolts (can't recall) and apply "Red Locktite" on the threads and retighten. You won't regret it and it will stop the bolts from vibrating loose in the future; i.e., TIGHT TILT STEERING!

Check out the link. It's a good price!
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