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post #1 of 47 Old 03-22-2020, 06:53 PM Thread Starter
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Retro radio sound cutting out

With the weather slowly getting better, I thought about tackling my radio problems. The PO bought a retro radio brand stereo (base model), it looks great works ok, except for at higher volumes.

At volumes of 25 and up on, which is pretty low. You're unable to hear the radio with the windows down at 50mph. The radio cuts out, it doesnt turn off, but just skips playing for a brief second.

I'm not sure what the cause of this is, whether is a hardware issue, power issue or grounding issue. My plan is to to run a ground directly from the radio to the battery see if that changes anything, then do the same for power. I'd appreciate any input on the subject as I'm not firmilar with radios and their issues

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Are you running an AMP? When it cuts off, does it make a pop sound?

I had a similar issue on mine and contacted Alpine direct. The guy walked me through it and it was a GROUND issue with the AMP. In my case, the AMP needed to have a better securing ground at body (mounting screws; loosened) and a 10 GA dedicated wire from AMP to Battery (-). Problem solved! I have never had the issue return. Also, if you can, adjust the flat signals and open the low pass filter by adjusting the cutting quality of the bass. It will help you get the louder bass and overall sound.
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Are you running an AMP? When it cuts off, does it make a pop sound?

I had a similar issue on mine and contacted Alpine direct. The guy walked me through it and it was a GROUND issue with the AMP. In my case, the AMP needed to have a better securing ground at body (mounting screws; loosened) and a 10 GA dedicated wire from AMP to Battery (-). Problem solved! I have never had the issue return. Also, if you can, adjust the flat signals and open the low pass filter by adjusting the cutting quality of the bass. It will help you get the louder bass and overall sound.
No Amp, just the radio and 2 5-1/4" speakers.
When it cuts out it doesnt make any other noise, like a CD-player skipping when it gets hit.
I dont have a whole lot of options in adjusting the sound, bass, treble , style
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Clean the electrical connections first and then report back. There are not many options other than a repair shop or a new radio.
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Sounds to me like a loose wiring issue somewhere in the circuit. Once you run separate wiring of adequate gauge to the battery (w/ proper fusing), you should be able to limit the old circuit as the culprit or not. But there should also be an "always hot" wire too that may be something to look at.
My retrosound works fine with the strange exception of; when the volume is up and I beep the horn, it cuts the music just for that instance. It may be that my "always hot" wire is on the horn circuit, I don't recall.

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Alright i got to the point where my whole dash is off.... how fun lol

This is what i figured out The pioneer speakers i had in the jeep were 140 watts max, and 25 watts nom. or RMS. The radio can put out 40 watts max.
So my thought is when i turn up the volume it goes past the 25watts of the normal operating capabilities of the pioneer speakers.

I troubleshooted each piece, removed the radio ran it directly off a car battery producing 12v, connected it to a much larger and powerful speaker, using new and thicker wire, all went well. Then tested it using the jeep's power with better speaker and wire, again all well. By passed the wire, the speaker seemed to cut out at 35 ( the range of the speaker is 0-46, used to cut out at 30) so part of the problem was the wire. Then attached the old wire to the better speaker cut out at 30.

So in the end, im going to replace both speaker and speaker wire, i got a rockford fosgate speaker that has 80w max, and 40w RMS. Speakers come tomorrow once i have them install i'll update again
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Nick could you please let me know what model you have? I was looking at a Retro Sound radio too but it only had 100 watts (25 per channel). With the top off that is not enough juice.

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To my understanding, that is not how car audio works. If the speakers have the correct resistance (usually 4 ohms for car audio) (different that maximum watts) they should play fine. A more powerful amp can potentially overload and destroy a speaker rated for less watts than the amp can put out but the sound does not cut out and then come back as you describe in your problem.

To me, your problem sounds more like a failing amplifier in your radio if the voltage and ground to your radio are proper. I would call the maker of the radio and see what they have to say.

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Alright i got to the point where my whole dash is off.... how fun lol

This is what i figured out The pioneer speakers i had in the jeep were 140 watts max, and 25 watts nom. or RMS. The radio can put out 40 watts max.
So my thought is when i turn up the volume it goes past the 25watts of the normal operating capabilities of the pioneer speakers.

I troubleshooted each piece, removed the radio ran it directly off a car battery producing 12v, connected it to a much larger and powerful speaker, using new and thicker wire, all went well. Then tested it using the jeep's power with better speaker and wire, again all well. By passed the wire, the speaker seemed to cut out at 35 ( the range of the speaker is 0-46, used to cut out at 30) so part of the problem was the wire. Then attached the old wire to the better speaker cut out at 30.

So in the end, im going to replace both speaker and speaker wire, i got a rockford fosgate speaker that has 80w max, and 40w RMS. Speakers come tomorrow once i have them install i'll update again
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Nick could you please let me know what model you have? I was looking at a Retro Sound radio too but it only had 100 watts (25 per channel). With the top off that is not enough juice.
I have the retrosound laguna model, it a decent radio a little pricy but i didnt buy it, Overall it works well

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To my understanding, that is not how car audio works. If the speakers have the correct resistance (usually 4 ohms for car audio) (different that maximum watts) they should play fine. A more powerful amp can potentially overload and destroy a speaker rated for less watts than the amp can put out but the sound does not cut out and then come back as you describe in your problem.

To me, your problem sounds more like a failing amplifier in your radio if the voltage and ground to your radio are proper. I would call the maker of the radio and see what they have to say.
My electrical knowledge is pretty basic and speakers... definitely over my head. Thats why i just singled one piece out at a time. Maybe the old speakers are just crap idk. But I do know the 6.5in speaker has 180w 90wRMS per pair handles it just fine when its the only speaker connected to the radio. This speaker is 4ohms just like the original two speaker.

This is the rating of the radio " 18 watts RMS/40 watts peak x 4 channels"
and it only states that speaks below 4 ohms will have an issue
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so bad news, Stone your probably right. I got my new speakers plugged one in and it started cutting out intermittently around 35 of 46 total volume. So for now im thinking im just going to use all 4 speakers instead of buying a new $180 or $280 radio.

Im going to open it up look inside idk what i'll find or if it will change anything but might as well now
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Call the manufacturer. They may have a solution or a service to economically repair your radio. Do that before you open it up.

I once saw a sign in a bicycle shop that stated...

$15 hourly repair rate
$20 if you insist on watching.
$40 if you tried to fix it first yourself and failed.
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Call the manufacturer. They may have a solution or a service to economically repair your radio. Do that before you open it up.

I once saw a sign in a bicycle shop that stated...

$15 hourly repair rate
$20 if you insist on watching.
$40 if you tried to fix it first yourself and failed.
I am going to call tech support Monday.
and im pretty used to paying the $40 charge. just cant seem to help myself.

I appreciate the help
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Another idea...some car radios are set up where you can use an external amplifier and bypass the internal amplifier. Maybe someone here who has a similar model can chime in.
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Thanks Nick for your response.

Full disclaimer, i have no idea what I am talking about. I can either confirm or deny Senator. However, Something tells me that Retro Sound Radio is just not up for the job with out an amplifier.
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Here’s a link that may narrow down your issue. Proper wiring and connections are everything. So, maybe this will help break things down.

https://www.retromanufacturing.com/blogs/support/test
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