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post #46 of 371 Old 10-11-2017, 01:21 PM
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My dash doesn't have cutouts for a clock (or tach for that matter). Did all CJ's have them? Mine is 86 CJ7
Only the Golden Eagle, Laredo, Limited and Jamboree versions came from factory with the tach and clock. All others it was optioned, like mine for the Renegade package.


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Curious if as you complete this project you could add a finished pic of the dash. I'm a relatively new CJ owner, but am working towards a mostly OEM look.....but my dash doesn't have cutouts for a clock (or tach for that matter). Did all CJ's have them? Mine is 86 CJ7
I'll certainly keep the thread updated.

As Keith said, only certain trim packages came with the clock standard, it was optional on the others. Those that didn't come with it, don't have the cutout. There are dash layout diagrams, that give specific dimensions for the cutouts. I'll try to post one, if I can find it, or maybe someone else can.

Honestly, at this point I'm leaning towards having ISI rebuild my clock. I'll end up spending more than I wanted to, but the final product should be reliable for years. I'll document locating and cutting the hole in the dash, and installing it the best I can.

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post #48 of 371 Old 10-11-2017, 06:26 PM
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Matt,

You can't cut holes in your original dash! Buy a Kentrol dash and add clock and tach holes in it. Your Jeep is only original once. You cut those holes and you can't go back.

I know...it's easy for me to spend your money.

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STJP,

Too late for that. I've already cut the hole and installed a OEM tach, so doing the same for a clock doesn't bother me. That's how the factory would have done it, if it were ordered on my CJ, anyway.

I'm not a purist in the traditional sense. But, I have always liked the looks of a fully optioned OEM CJ dash, and I think my Father did too. He just couldn't afford it when he bought my CJ.

I guess that's what's cool about owning a CJ. Everyone has his own opinion on the perfect one.

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Glad the option is there to fix your clock with ISI, Matt, and can't wait to see the finished product. Both my OEM tach and clock need disassembly and cosmetic attention, and after reading all of these exchanges, I'm now more inclined to let an expert do the job. My dad always said I was better at framing than I was at cabinet making. He had a knack for being right, I'll add.

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Hoover,

Your father sounds like a wise man.

Maybe we can negotiate a 2 for 1 special with ISI?

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On my Dash Restoration thread, I had a few layouts on what size the factory holes are and there location on the dash. I believe Glenn Lever had a problem with the hole locations as his dash had a factory folded edge to it that did not coincide with the given dimensions. Doesn't matter. The important thing is to remember all dimensions should be taken from a Center or Datum line to be accurate. In the case of CJ dash, center line will be the steering wheel opening to determine tach and clock location. The headlight switch and wiper switch are the vertical center lines for the tach and clock and the heater control knob location is the horizontal center line location. If one follows these given dimensions, you are guaranteeing yourself factory locations of the clock and tachometer as if AMC/Jeep installed them.




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Keith,

Thanks for posting those images.

What did you use to cut your holes? I used a hole saw with a pilot bit for my tach, but it wasn't exactly precise.

Also, are the tach and clock holes truly 1/4" different in size, like your diagram indicates? I figured they'd be the same size.

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Keith,

Thanks for posting those images.

What did you use to cut your holes? I used a hole saw with a pilot bit for my tach, but it wasn't exactly precise.

Also, are the tach and clock holes truly 1/4" different in size, like your diagram indicates? I figured they'd be the same size.

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Be careful while using the hole saw. I was cutting a hole in my dash for a gauge and it hung up. Result was a broken ring finger on my right hand and i was only using a 3/8" drive drill. I had bought a new saw so I'd get a clean cut. I finished cutting the hole the same day cussing through the pain.

It could have been worse my neighbor was cleaning powder coat out of holes in a motor mount using a 1/2" bit in a 1/2" drill. His hung up and broke his arm.

I didn't realize (admit) my finger was broken for a week or so. The keeper of the checkbook told me to get it checked so I'd quit complaining. It was still blue and swollen. You can fix being careless as I obviously was, but not being hardheaded as I also was and still am!

Also pay the extra $60 and let them fix it. A glazier once told me "Let me install it. If I break it then its on my dime. If you try and then break it I get to sell you another one."

Good luck and be careful!

Edit: Oops I saw that you'd already cut the hole. Hope you were careful.

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Matt,

My CJ came with the clock and tachometer from factory as I ordered that option along with the Renegade package, 258 engine, power steering, side steps and optional 3.31 gears. They were all separate.

The hole sizes are correct.
Clock is 2-5/8"
Tachometer is 2-7/8"

There use to be a member on the JeepsUnlimited forum website, that is now gone for good, who would lend out the correct panel knockout punches for the tach and clock holes. He was an electrician that had these special punches and if someone needed them, he would send them out with a deposit to cover cost if lost or never returned.

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Bob,

I know exactly what you're talking about. I think the key is to keep a hole saw perfectly perpendicular with the drilling surface, and don't put too much pressure on it. I've never broken any fingers, but I have had the drill completely yanked from my hands several times.

Keith, thanks for the confirmation on hole sizes. That's odd they'd make them different sizes, but not surprising. I remember having to ream the hole bigger that I cut for my tach, by hand, so maybe the hole saw I have will be perfect for the clock. I'll have to measure it.

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Hoover,

Your father sounds like a wise man.

Maybe we can negotiate a 2 for 1 special with ISI?

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I just spoke with Laurie, at ISI, again. She said, if we can send her 5 clocks, they can provide a 10% discount. It's not much, but every little bit helps.

So, we have 3. Who else needs their clocks rebuilt?

I think if we all individually sent our clocks in to them, with a note that mentions my name and the group discount, that would work.

Let me know.

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I just spoke with Laurie, at ISI, again. She said, if we can send her 5 clocks, they can provide a 10% discount. It's not much, but every little bit helps.

So, we have 3. Who else needs their clocks rebuilt?

I think if we all individually sent our clocks in to them, with a note that mentions my name and the group discount, that would work.

Let me know.

Matt
I know it's not a clock, but I do have that OEM tach that also needs attention. Wonder if five 'units' will garner the discount or if it must be a clock. If it's units, then we would be just one shy! If you like, I can call tomorrow and ask, Matt. Hate for you to be doing all the leg work!

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I know it's not a clock, but I do have that OEM tach that also needs attention. Wonder if five 'units' will garner the discount or if it must be a clock. If it's units, then we would be just one shy! If you like, I can call tomorrow and ask, Matt. Hate for you to be doing all the leg work!

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Yeah, me too Hoover. I've got a clock and a tach I could send off. Might make 5 right there. I'll be out of touch for the weekend, but should be able to follow up Sunday evening/ Monday. Willing to give them a call too if needed.

Also, to tag on Keith's mention of punches. Pop's is an electrician. Kind of doubt he has anything that big, but I'll ask if he does. If he does, he might sell it to me cheap so I could fill that void. Definitely the right tool for the job.
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