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post #1 of 24 Old 11-27-2019, 07:08 PM Thread Starter
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Hey guys, I keep looking at this CL add for this CJ-7 in my state (Michigan). I probably cannot swing it right now but that does not stop me from dreaming.... claims to be a 36k mile original CJ. I don't see many original condition CJ's here in the rust belt so I'm not sure how legitimate it is or of there value. Seems lagit and reasonably priced to me. What do you all think?


https://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/d...023623289.html

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post #2 of 24 Old 11-27-2019, 07:23 PM
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That’s not exactly an “original” survivor. It’s been modified in several ways. It also suffers from classic Jeep lean. Be careful of what you wish for.

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That’s not exactly an “original” survivor. It’s been modified in several ways. It also suffers from classic Jeep lean. Be careful of what you wish for.

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Matt is spot on. Note the windsheild frame has been replaced and a close look at the rocker area indicates hidden rust. Might be a good buy, but this jeep would need a very close inspection of common rust areas and frame condition.

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I'd beware what is hiding behind that BIGFOOT CJ-7 rear wooden "bumper".

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post #5 of 24 Old 11-28-2019, 07:18 AM Thread Starter
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It also suffers from classic Jeep lean.

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Can someone educate me on the "classic jeep lean" how serious is this condition? Is it fixable? My 78 has a very slight lean to drivers side, but it has never bother me enough to address it.
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Can someone educate me on the "classic jeep lean" how serious is this condition? Is it fixable? My 78 has a very slight lean to drivers side, but it has never bother me enough to address it.
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Jeep lean was a condition in which numerous CJs left the factory with frame rails that didn't run parallel to each other, causing the Jeep to lean to the drivers side. AMC issued a recall on it. Their bandaid fix was a shim under the rear passenger side axle. I've seen some guys actually cut the tweaked frame rail and re-weld it straight, but that's a pretty extensive repair.

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This one has some definite issues as others have mentioned. The voltmeter looks like it is having issues, the top left corner of the dash on the driver's side is somehow folded over, and the knobs that hold the windshield in place appear to be missing. All potentially "minor" stuff but it all adds up in the end.
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That Jeep had a hardtop and steel doors with wing windows, judging from the shape of the dash pad cutouts. I would go look at it in person. If it is in as nice of shape as the pictures depict, I would Jump on it. But that’s just me, because I hate rust.

Stuff like the bent dash corner pail in comparison to a rusty tub.

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Looks like it s worth considering.

i agree with the above, rust is a PITA that should be avoided if you want to enjoy a CJ. Mechanical issues and brakes etc are all fixable and they are easy to work on.

The windshield frames rot real bad, and that one looks like a Crown replacement they were knocking out a few years ago with the rib under the wipers. the black paint could be primer that was applied at the factory. I have replaced both my frames due to rust. They are a fraction of the weight of the original but are all you can get, so needs painting and rustproofing. A small fix you can do with a spray can but should have been done before fitting the glass.

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Jeep lean was a condition in which numerous CJs left the factory with frame rails that didn't run parallel to each other, causing the Jeep to lean to the drivers side. AMC issued a recall on it. Their bandaid fix was a shim under the rear passenger side axle. I've seen some guys actually cut the tweaked frame rail and re-weld it straight, but that's a pretty extensive repair.

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Jeeps also had the engine/transmission offset to the drivers side. Adding the drivers weight (and on ECJ's, the gas tank) caused the drivers side to sag over time.


While visually annoying, it didn't cause any real issues.

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Jeeps also had the engine/transmission offset to the drivers side. Adding the drivers weight (and on ECJ's, the gas tank) caused the drivers side to sag over time.


While visually annoying, it didn't cause any real issues.
Hitting a ditch at about 45 MPH and landing on your side will give you a lean too. Nothing $300 in labor at the local frame shop and a new set of leaf springs can’t fix. Been there done that, got the T-shirt.

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Normal suspension sagging due to offset weighting is different from Jeep lean that was a factory defect in the frame necessitating a recall.

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Thanks for all the insight and details you guys picked up on, you all don't miss much. My jeep fever is cooling a few degrees. I found these additional pics on facebook and have requested a few additional pics of underneath and the engine bay. Looks like hood is damaged and driver-side floorboards are holy.
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Floor boards not so bad and the actual hole is a factory drain hole which is now enlarged with rust eating away at it. I would ask for pictures of the roll bar where it is mounted on both the floor and wheelhouse.
At least it seems to be a true Renegade package from the options I see.

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Its funny; theres a lot of that which looks like only 36K miles, and a lot other that doesn't. Its amazing what a pic can hide or highlight.

Those pedals look damn near new, and some shots of the floor pans (especially the back and center looked pristine in the pics.

Then you see the hood photos (not just the hood, but the entire area), and floor boards, and it makes you wonder.

I'd love to see this one close up

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