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Implement vs rattle can vs other cheap paint

Lots of threads on one or the other but no comparisons. What is best for the money? I would do the labor for a multi stage paint (I got the time and place), if the product is cheap, and outcome is better.

So, what you got,
What did it cost?
How log did it take?
How much product did you use?


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post #2 of 26 Old 04-26-2009, 05:14 PM
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I would think rattle can would be the least expensive and the results i have experienced by applying coats in 24 hr periods works great.

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this link should help...i think it is the way im going with when i paint.
https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showt...=sponge+roller
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What are you going to paint? I assume since you mention multi-stage you are talking bodywork right? Rattlecan can give a very smoothe finish, but the thickness isn't there. For what it costs for about 3 spray cans you can buy a quart of enamel, like Rustoleum I think.
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1. Tractor Supply IH tractor red. Premium Restoration Series
2. Less than 100.00
3. Purchased 1 gallon of paint, 1gallon of reducer and whatever recommended hardner.
4. Sprayed with a 17.00 harbor freight HVLP gun
5. Actual paint time, 1 afternoon
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I would think rattle can would be the least expensive and the results i have experienced by applying coats in 24 hr periods works great.
Gallon of implement paint shot in a cheap siphon feed is going to be way cheaper than rattle cans, and better application, too.

I've used the implement enamel on my frames, a bunk bed, and even some implements. It doesn't have the hardness that a quality automotive finish has, but it's durable enough for daily use. You need to be careful spilling oil or fuel as it is not all that resistant without a clear coat and will discolor and/or strip. I like it because heck, even if you scratch it up really good, give it a fresh paint job each season for as cheap as it is.

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Hmm I just painted my Jeep with custom restoration paint that is very expensive. I dunno why... now I'm not going to ever want it to go offroad.

If you want my advice, from experience with using a lot of different paints, for your Jeep:

If you are looking for durabiliy over looks (and "looks" in this case meaning a finish to a semi dull not glass like look that you see on cars) then I think that TSC's tractor paint ( The ones mentioned above) are the best. They are very very durable.

If you want a nice look, you for about double the cost, buy some single stage paint that will look pretty well. You would have a balance between looks and durability.

If you want the nicest looks and good durability then go with a BC/CC system.

If you go with expensive paints, don't skimp on the gun (AKA Harbor Freight) you can get a decent Starting Line by Devilbiss for like 50-60 bucks and a real HVLP (high volume low pressure) gun will waste a lot less paint (as in it all just getting atomized but not thrown onto the surface of the car, so it floats in the air and floats away) and atomize it better (making the paint lay down much nicer and you won't need as much paint either).

I'll post some pictures of my Jeep I just finished in a day or so, I'm on dialup currently.


Hmm and just to give you an idea... remember there is a huge difference in the cost of paints but heres a sample of the "good but low end" paints. 10/10 isnt the best paint there is in the world as a low end BC/CC will lose to a high end single stage, but more like how they compare to the type of job your looking at.

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Looks/Durability/Cost

5/10/$40 per gal - Tractor Suppply Company Enamel
8/7/$75 per gal - Single Stage 2k Urethane
10/7/$80 per gal*,** - BC/CC



* Per gallon,
Base coat - 120 per gal
Reducer for basecoat - 50 per gal
Clear - 55 per gallon
Clear activator - 20 per quart
Which comes out to be about 80 per gallon but you will have a lot of excess because professional paints are almost always sold in gallons except base coats which come in quarts (dupont and ppg run 100-150 per quart of base, mix ratio 1:1, but they are expensive and there are a lot of other products at the same quality for less cost out on the market.)

** Single stage can produce the same quality look but it takes more experience because you don't have the luxury to correct the paint at every step like you have with bc/cc.
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This was painted with a roller...
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It turned out just fine... I think.

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This was painted with a roller...
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It turned out just fine... I think.

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What color was that? I want mine very similar, maybe a tad darker

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Rustoleum color Aluminum with spray clear on top of it... turned out nice.

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This was painted with a roller...
http://www.certifiablejeep.com/image...e/100_1933.jpg

It turned out just fine... I think.

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Exactly what I had in mind, did the clear make much difference? You are the first I have noticed (lots of searching) who added clear to a single stage. Did you wet sand between coats?

Has any one sprayed the Rustoleum on?

Prior to you posting that picture, I was leaning to the TSC implement paint (had about decided before I did the OP). I think I still might, but add the clear. Heck, if I don’t like it, I can re-do it in a few years. Huge plus for the TSC house brand stuff, is that you can get the same stuff in a rattle can, it wont be perfect, but it looks like I can buy paint and hardener for under 50. Then a cheap gun. I plan to spay in my hurc when I am done painting, and I’ll just toss the gun after that.


I use to really want a silver jeep, man that thing looks good.

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Just to clear up something on the implement paint thing that I learned before doing my Jeep, Tractor supply has several grades. The basic and mid grade paints are similar to Rustoleum, they are ultimately a fish oil (or something similar) base. I totally agree with everyone's opinions on them. Cheap, easy to apply, and economical enough to do every year if you want! Downside, they take awhile to REALLY dry, and can fade over time. These paints are typically thinned with mineral spirits that can be then sprayed. The restoration grade paint I used is in fact an automotive style/grade paint that is a two part catalyzed paint mixed with hardner and thinned with a reducer. Dry to the touch within 30 minutes or so (Obviously not cured though). Very hard and scratch resistant with a decent gloss finish.
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This was painted with a roller...
http://www.certifiablejeep.com/image...e/100_1933.jpg

It turned out just fine... I think.

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wait, hold on a second... did you say you ROLLED that on???
good god that looks great! got any more info on paint, procedure, etc.??
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