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post #16 of 36 Old 06-20-2016, 02:07 PM
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...Eh?
There are no spring shackles mounted near the bumper on the front springs. It could have had a shackle reversal. It's hard to tell for sure from the pics.


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post #17 of 36 Old 06-20-2016, 02:12 PM
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There are no spring shackles mounted near the bumper on the front springs. It could have had a shackle reversal. It's hard to tell for sure from the pics.
I saw that as well. I was asking why you thought that was a YJ thing? YJs have shackles up front just like a CJ.

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I saw that as well. I was asking why you thought that was a YJ thing? YJs have shackles up front just like a CJ.
After reading what I wrote, don't ask me how I went down that train of thought! At first I was thinking no shackles, then shackle reversal, then I installed a shackle reversal kit on a buddies YJ last month, then voila! It's a YJ! Let me put the beer down and step away from the keyboard.

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You just can't see the mounts because of the enormous homemade front bumper

The rear looked like model 20 1-piece axles to me, but on that, I am NO authority.

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JoonHoss - how are you certain its a YJ tub?
Aside from the tailgate, one of the easiest ways to distinguish between them is the shape of the rear wheel well. CJs are roundish and YJs are squarish.

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Aside from the tailgate, one of the easiest ways to distinguish between them is the shape of the rear wheel well. CJs are roundish and YJs are squarish.

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YJ wheel wells are round. The fender flares are squarish.
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^^What he said. I'm pretty sure the flares are interchangeable. I've seen YJ flares on CJs and CJ flares on YJs.

Honestly, there are about a hundred different ways to do this swap. With all the mis-matched parts, this will be interesting to see what is/isn't CJ or YJ.

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That will definitely help determine what I'm working with. Will post back after I can check the filler location/any body work done in that location. Any clue what year CJ parts I have if it is indeed the YJ tub?
I'd start by looking at the date the engine was assembled. Look on the passenger side of the engine between the #2 & #3 spark plugs. There is a flat spot there that will have a 6 character engine code on it. It should be 3 numbers followed by a letter and then two more numbers.

Following that I'd check the shift pattern on the transfer case to see if it's a D300 or D20 (D300 has 4L all the way forward, D20 is all the way back).

Then check the casting #'s on the trans to confirm what model it is (but judging by the shape of the shifter it looks like an SR-4....which would have a D300 behind it).

You can also measure the width between wheel mounting surfaces on the front and rear axle to determine narrow or widetrack which will give you a year range to choose parts from.

There is no way of knowing if they all were original to your jeep, but at least knowing what they are you can order parts for them.

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I'd start by looking at the date the engine was assembled. Look on the passenger side of the engine between the #2 & #3 spark plugs. There is a flat spot there that will have a 6 character engine code on it. It should be 3 numbers followed by a letter and then two more numbers.

Following that I'd check the shift pattern on the transfer case to see if it's a D300 or D20 (D300 has 4L all the way forward, D20 is all the way back).

Then check the casting #'s on the trans to confirm what model it is (but judging by the shape of the shifter it looks like an SR-4....which would have a D300 behind it).

You can also measure the width between wheel mounting surfaces on the front and rear axle to determine narrow or widetrack which will give you a year range to choose parts from.

There is no way of knowing if they all were original to your jeep, but at least knowing what they are you can order parts for them.
Engine stamp is 510C18 -- that's all the info I can get with it in the shop right now.
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Engine stamp is 510C18 -- that's all the info I can get with it in the shop right now.
5 - 1985
10 - 10th month (Oct)
C - 258 2 bbl
18 - 18th day

Is reverse over to the right and back? Or to the left and up?

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Up and left=bad...

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Up and left=bad...
It will also confirm the jeep is a cobbled mess of parts and not just a tub swap (and it is definitely a YJ tub according to the windshield washer nozzles)......the SR-4 wouldn't have come behind an engine assembled in '85.......nor would any avid jeeper with half a brain swap one in. This rig sounds like a "throw it together out of spare parts and flip it for a profit" kind of thing. That said, it looks pretty decent.....just a pain to figure out what it's made of.

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AMC discontinued the SR-4 almost immediatley in the early 80's due to failures. Would not have come from the factory with that drivetrain.
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post #29 of 36 Old 06-21-2016, 08:48 PM
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WOW! 2 pages on this..really. You guys are half right on most of it and all over the place. I see exactly what it is.


Here's what you have and how I can tell.

Frame is CJ7 as I can clearly see the front cross member. I was hoping to see the tops of the shock towers in the engine picture but it's too hard to tell at that angle. That would tell me pre or post 82.

Tub is YJ with gas hole filled on left and cut on right. I spotted the exterior tailgate latch bolt on the rear and the double squirters on the cowl. I'm the only one I know that takes the time to delete those small details on my YJ to CJ tub conversions. The firewall pic confirms other small details like the pedal support rod and other holes. Plus anyone who will cut out for those aftermarket tail lights and reverse lights would have no problem cutting for a new fuel bezel on the right side (to match the CJ gas tank in the CJ frame). The new paint covers the body work/filler on the left side. Tailgate is YJ of course. CJ and YJ tubs have the same size rear round wheel well in the metal with different shaped plastic flairs.

Rollbar and spreaders are pre 91 YJ attached to CJ windshield frame. The defrost vents and small wiper arms confirm. Again, the lazy factor here shows me that anyone who leaves the exposed signs of the upper corner bolts showing on the exterior of the WS frame would not go to the trouble of welding in the main bar spreader mounts.

Doors are pre 91 YJ as there is no lock The missing interior panels an upper rod inserts are a really nice touch!

Front clip is CJ.

Dash is custom and steering column is CJ Pedals are aslso CJ as the pedals are larger than the YJ. Plus they swapped over the CJ manual brake master so the whole setup matches.
Seats are YJ as are the seatbelts.

I believe the axles to be CJ as I can see the locking hubs, bolt pattern and they are bolted to the CJ frame. Rear could be a Model 20 with one piece axles OR a most likely a late 86 Dana 44 due to the looks of the center hole on the shaft end (normally covered by a rim /wheel center cap). I have like 5 or 6 of these axles and that looks VERY familiar as one.

Engine appears to be a late 85 build so the CJ was most likely an 86 model. The OP stated it had a 5 speed so that would be a T5 (the SR4 and T5 BOTH have a curved shift lever) All the wiring and small stuff under the hood look like CJ.. The PO even bypassed the heater core for you.....if the box is even there... Looks like it isn't.

Here's what I think happened..... The PO had an 86 CJ7 with no title and a rusted out tub. He bought a 89 YJ tub and it came with a title.
He swapped the YJ tub onto the CJ frame and running gear and used some off the YJ parts such as the seat and roll bar as maybe they were in better condition (rusted out CJ roll bar feet?). The CJ had less miles (per the speedometer) and the YJ had higher miles (per the carfax on the VIN).

IN MY OPINION....the YJ title should NOT have been used as this is MORE CJ than YJ.

Now you asked what year CJ this could be..... the engine code is a good clue but not the only one to go by as engines are easy to swap. On the forward crossmember of the gas tank, there is a frame build date (the tank is in the way until lowered). If it is late 85, then its an 86 CJ. If its late 84 or early 85, its an 85. Anlother way to tell an 85 or 86 CJ7 frame is to look at the same cross member where it mounts to the rails. IF there are triangle supports at these ends, its a later frame. If it has no supports OR separate brackets, its a 84 back.
Also look at the rear axle diff cover and tell us the shape.

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^^^

I have a 1984 CJ with YJ tub (Puthijeep) and it looks much like yours, even down to the lazy bits identified by only in a jeep.

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