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post #1 of 17 Old 06-14-2021, 08:25 PM Thread Starter
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CJ complete body kit

Has anybody here order a complete steel body kit for their CJ? I'm not interested in fiber glass.

I'm just wondering if all the pieces were straight? Did you have to bend or use bondo to smooth anything out to make to perfect?

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post #2 of 17 Old 06-14-2021, 10:45 PM
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Yes, no, yes and yes... if you order a willys overland repli-tub, they fix a bunch of the issues with the overseas tubs. IIRC Keith460 has a good thread somewhere on here that covers a bunch of stuff he did with a replacement tub.


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Unless they fixed it, the MD Juan tub that Keith bought will not fit OEM steel doors. I can understand minor fitment issues and other problems that can be overcome, but never being able to use steel doors is a disappointment.

I’m willing to bet had Keith known beforehand that steel doors will not fit, he would not have bought the MD Juan tub.

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Repli-Tubs are hit or miss in what you get. They are far from perfect and need to be massaged, modified and cut into to make fit.


Yeah, I have one and wasn't overly thrilled in what I had to do to make it fit and look decent.


There is a thread on some of the improvements that have been made to them since I bought mine back in 2007. I got it for a very good price and it is one of the first to have the "Jeep" embossed lettering on the side like the originals.


Go here: https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/t.../#post14985138

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Unless they fixed it, the MD Juan tub that Keith bought will not fit OEM steel doors. I can understand minor fitment issues and other problems that can be overcome, but never being able to use steel doors is a disappointment.

I’m willing to bet had Keith known beforehand that steel doors will not fit, he would not have bought the MD Juan tub.

Passenger side fit very well with good gap all around. No so, for the drivers side and the reason I never put hard doors back on. I even told MD Juan about it and they showed a picture of the door attached. Again, only the passenger side photo taken and I asked for a drivers side photo of the door fitted. Never happened.... Gap is too wide at the U shape and tubs are not square on top of that.

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Passenger side fit very well with good gap all around. No so, for the drivers side and the reason I never put hard doors back on. I even told MD Juan about it and they showed a picture of the door attached. Again, only the passenger side photo taken and I asked for a drivers side photo of the door fitted. Never happened.... Gap is too wide at the U shape and tubs are not square on top of that.
Both doors on my repli-tub fit fine.

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Both doors on my repli-tub fit fine.

Like I said, Repli-Tubs are hit or miss on what you get.

There's quite a bit of hand hammering but I believe they have improved on there quality in the last few years due to this forum, emails and visits from the owner. Rommel Juan, personally took it upon himself to see fit that the tubs would be improved in overall workmanship. He knows all to well that the gossip of social media can make or break a company in today's world.

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I have a CJ7 tub in the garage right now making it fit.
Drivers door fit pretty well, passenger side fits but will have a big gap to body. Only 3 of the mounting holes for drivers seat aligned and they put the seat 1” too far to the center.
The vertical section on the floor where the sport bar mounts wasn’t vertical.
Windshield hinge surfaces on drivers side was whacked. Still contemplating how to deal with this because it puts the door hinge at an angle.
Cowl on the passenger side was totally wrong; hinge surface for hood was at least 1/2” too high which then made the radius too large. Hood fit was terrible on that side. Ended up grafting the cowl from old tub into new tub to fix.
Most of the panels that should have been spot welded together were mig welded so the seams weren’t tight.
I also understand that the primer doesn’t stick well and will peel off, so once I finish fixing it is going to media blast.
Willys-Overland did move most of the body mounts and the bolts will go in, but they aren’t centered in most of the bushings. Not sure what I will do with these.
The good news is that I haven’t found any rust!


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I have a CJ7 tub in the garage right now making it fit.
Drivers door fit pretty well, passenger side fits but will have a big gap to body. Only 3 of the mounting holes for drivers seat aligned and they put the seat 1” too far to the center.
The vertical section on the floor where the sport bar mounts wasn’t vertical.
Windshield hinge surfaces on drivers side was whacked. Still contemplating how to deal with this because it puts the door hinge at an angle.
Cowl on the passenger side was totally wrong; hinge surface for hood was at least 1/2” too high which then made the radius too large. Hood fit was terrible on that side. Ended up grafting the cowl from old tub into new tub to fix.
Most of the panels that should have been spot welded together were mig welded so the seams weren’t tight.
I also understand that the primer doesn’t stick well and will peel off, so once I finish fixing it is going to media blast.
Willys-Overland did move most of the body mounts and the bolts will go in, but they aren’t centered in most of the bushings. Not sure what I will do with these.
The good news is that I haven’t found any rust!


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I also understand that the primer doesn’t stick well and will peel off, so once I finish fixing it is going to media blast.

The good news is that I haven’t found any rust!

Primer is the worst! DO NOT RELY ON IT. It's nothing more than a rust preventive while being shipped across the Pacific ocean. Comes off very easy to say the least.


I had mine media blasted with plastic beading so the sheet metal would not warp during the process. Cost about a $150.00 in 2008 dollars.

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Keith is your go-to-guy for CJ-7 repro tub questions.
In the military Jeep hobby, there is a high level of frustration with MD Juan bodies. They have spent countless hours providing original drawings, offered corrected measurements and met with Rommel to discuss ways to improve fit and correct documented production errors. At first, Rommel seemed to listen, but precious few improvements have been made.
Buyers are disappointed. Fenders don't fit, braces are off, cowl radius incorrect, overall length incorrect, firewall and body to frame mounting holes don't line up correctly, and much more.
Significant cutting, welding and fabrication are required before they are usable. It is considered a grade C product at best and is not improving.
The MD Juan repro body reduces the value of a military Jeep significantly, they are easily identifiable and is the first thing the experienced buyer looks for.
For the high price you pay for a replica body, MD Juan could certainly do better. There are volumes written on the specific errors and poor quality control.
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post #12 of 17 Old 06-17-2021, 09:24 AM
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Thanks for writing this up. I didn't realize there were so many issues. I will think twice about re-building with one of these.

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In the military Jeep hobby, there is a high level of frustration with MD Juan bodies....

....There are volumes written on the specific errors and poor quality control.

It's the same with the CJ bodies as well. They made some corrections for body fitment but in the end, they are hand hammered for fine tuning and lack the crisp bends in some areas that they just cannot duplicate what the factory did. Way to expensive for any manufacture to justify high cost of stamping presses that are needed to bend and stretch 16 and 18 gauge steel.

I'll give them credit for producing same gauge steel as OEM for body panels and support pieces, but the end product can be rough at times.

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post #14 of 17 Old 06-17-2021, 08:21 PM
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Here's a picture of an MD Juan full side panel with one coat of epoxy primer on my original CJ5 tub. Forming is not as crisp as original but it's not bad, its the right guage and it fit just right front to rear which I was concerned about, but I didn't have to shim it at all, clamped it to the front and it hit the rear panel just right. So like others have said, not perfect but we have to make do with what we can get.
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Have you thought about using a YJ tub? If it's a CJ7 that you want to rebuild.


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